Non Techy CTF

[Kenderkin17]

Well since I lack HTML knowledge, or I am just lazy, which I will leave to your wonderful minds to puzzle out. I have decided to take the advice of an administrator and post my idea for an old fashioned CTF event. Here's how it plays out.

There would be as many teams as nessecary for interest. No team can be comprised of more than ten (10) members. The object of this game would be to complete two objectives.

1.) Protect your flag.

Never let your flag or information about it be intercepted by any other team. If your flag is captured your team has only one hour from the time they are notified to either capture their flag back, or capture another teams flag. If there is a failure to hold a flag previous to set time expiring your team is disqualified.

Flag - Will be a T-Shirt or Peice of Cloth with Defcon 13 and a team color on it. Each team will choose a color at the beginning of the CTF event. Flags must be hidden within the room of one of your team members.

2.) Capture the other teams flags.

You are allowed to use any "legal" method at your disposal to gain information about the flag. You are also advised to use methods at hand and your knowledge of all things in order to obtain other teams flags.

The event would last all 3 days of the con, and one of the final team(s) standing will be deemed the winner based on a judges decision through capture/loss ratio. Needless to say if at any point one team holds all teams flags then that team is immediately the winner.

Post here if you are interested in this event, or if I need to clarify a point that I have missed. Thank you for your time.

~Patrick

[Voltage Spike]

Flags must be hidden within the room of one of your team members.

This is where I have a problem. You are encouraging people to break into hotel rooms. If you have chosen the correct room, the best case is that you don't get prosecuted. If you have chosen the incorrect room...

I have decided to take the advice of an administrator and post my idea for an old fashioned CTF event.

I believe you are referring to TheCotMan here. He is not an administrator; he is simply long-winded.

[Kenderkin17]

Well.. there are other ways to get into a room rather than break into it. Just because it is one possible way doesn't mean it is the only way. I've gotten into numerous hotel rooms, legally, to get stuff friends were trying to hide from me. It's just a matter of doing things correctly. Of course.. we could always say, make persons carry the flag on them, or keep it hidden in the open. Just other ideas.

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What about possibly signing wavers allowing permission of all participating in the event to have access to our rooms at any time. For the sake of the event only of course. A bit risky and not sure it would hold up in court, but eh, just more thinking.

[Voltage Spike]

Well.. there are other ways to get into a room rather than break into it.

If you are entering a room without permission, then you are breaking in. If someone has a particularly dim roommate, then you may be able to talk your way in (under false pretenses), search the room, and walk away with the item. I wouldn't count on it.

Storing it on their person would be a much better idea, but then we may wish to call it a pickpocketing contest.

What about possibly signing wavers allowing permission of all participating in the event to have access to our rooms at any time.

I don't think you understand the make-up of Defcon attendees. We are a paranoid lot (beyond reason in most cases). If you could get a dozen people to sign such a waiver, then are undoubtedly the master of social engineering.

[Kenderkin17]

Wow, that was a good post, I am still laughing. No I think there is a way to set this up. Perhaps the carrying it on the person, or better yet with the hiding it in public. Have specific sectors that each team "Controls" and as such they must leave their flag there and protect it. I understand the paranoia thing, as I too am paranoid. However, for the sake of fun I am known to put aside personal comforts. Just a thought, but what do you think on the sector idea?

~Patrick

[nulltone]

I believe you are referring to TheCotMan here. He is not an administrator; he is simply long-winded.

Yeah, that'd be my job. And as you'll notice, I'm remarkably short-winded and downright invisible most of the time. Hence the saying, "the invisible hand of nulltone".
I'm also well known for my horrible sense of humor.

Neat idea about the contest, but it sounds like alot of liability issues. Very innovative though. Maybe you could add something like this to the scavenger hunt? Like, for a large number of points, a team must steal a "certain item" from another team. Of course, there would have to be plenty of conditions and rules, to ensure that its a decent challenge. It would kindof pit the teams against each other, definitely make things more interesting.

[Kenderkin17]

Well the idea for the Scavenger hunt would be to obtain the ID from one of the other team's members. Since it's something we all want to hold on to it would also be something difficult to obtain. The only problem here is again Liability, but CTF is based on the concept of "covert operations" so to incorperate it into anything brings that same bit of shadyness to the picture. Just my 2 cent while I try to figure out how to make the CTF work without so much liability. If anyone wants to talk to me about the ideas just im me on AIM: Darkdrake17.

[TheCotMan]

I believe you are referring to TheCotMan here. He is not an administrator; he is simply long-winded.

I am not an admin here, nor am I a mod, nor am I a goon; I am just a clueless newbie without flow control who is marginally tolerated by the regulars and old timers. :-D

I like to encourage new ideas, and will praise people for things I think are cool. OTOH, I am quick to condemn those who dont follow the forum rules or even try to use google or forum search before asking a question. ]:>

Yeah, that'd be my job (administrator.) And as you'll notice, I'm remarkably short-winded and downright invisible most of the time.

Most mods here are very short with their posts like the forum admin.

I may be an admin, but the systems I control have nothing to do with DefCon.

[Kenderkin17]

Sorry, I am masterful at oversight. It's one of a few talents I have, also the reason I have a fried pentium on my hands. Ah well guess we all have to learn that variable refresh rates can hurt a computer no? Sorry again, and I hope you all continue to be as patient as you have been with me, in the future. *goes back to his corner*

~Patrick

[TheCotMan]

OB:

Nice idea for a contest. Maybe shifting it to a pickpocket event with implied consent, but even then use of brute force techniques might get someone arrested for being violent.
See if you can work around these problems and invent a new contest that meets the spirit of old fashioned CTF, but with a DefFCon edge.

(Notice how nobody is calling you stupid, or your idea stupid? Pretty cool, eh? Constructive criticism is a very nice thing. Finding people who will not be offended with it? priceless. :-)

[Crap. This was supposed to be an edit of my post, not a reply.]

[Kenderkin17]

Of course.. we could always say, keep flags hidden in the open. Just other ideas.

Any input on this one? I think if we got Alexis Park's Permission here there wouldn't be much of a liability issue.

[Freedom Matrix]

Sounds interesting.

Sounds good to me, however, as stated before, a liability issue is big. If there was a way to contain the areas which the flag can be put into, then, maybe it wouldn't that big of an issue. Of course if you do that, you're just going to make the game easier. It's a double bind.

[highwizard]

Sounds good to me, however, as stated before, a liability issue is big. If there was a way to contain the areas which the flag can be put into, then, maybe it wouldn't that big of an issue. Of course if you do that, you're just going to make the game easier. It's a double bind.

When a thread is over three months old it's usually consider uncouth as they say to post in it.

[bascule]

I think the amateur CTF idea had much more merit...