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    Hey, I am a 14 year old that is being dragged along to Vegas with his parents. A major plus side to this is we are going the same time as DEF CON, and my dad and I are planning to go. What I am scared of is the atmosphere there would be somewhat embarressing for me to be there with my dad. Can someone please break down what goes on and confirm/deny my suspicions?

  • #2
    Originally posted by Falln
    Hey, I am a 14 year old that is being dragged along to Vegas with his parents. A major plus side to this is we are going the same time as DEF CON, and my dad and I are planning to go. What I am scared of is the atmosphere there would be somewhat embarressing for me to be there with my dad. Can someone please break down what goes on and confirm/deny my suspicions?
    We have a number of threads here that answer your question, but finding a search string to locate them might be difficult. Here is a summary:
    * There is drinking of alcohol in public areas outside
    * There is greater risk for nudity in public areas outside at night
    * The Actual presentation rooms are mostly sanitary (mostly free of booze and nudity) with rare exceptions.
    * Many people who were under 18 have attended DefCon before you
    * Having a parent or guardian if under 18 is suggested.
    * Leave ego and attitude at home and you will have an easier time
    * Don't make claims you can't back up

    Nudity is not "everywhere" and you won't find lots of people walking around naked. It is just something that occasionally happens in public places (sometimes outside of hotel rooms, mostly at night.) Drinking of booze generally starts on or before thursday and continues to some time on Sunday (or later.)

    I strongly suggest you check The DefCon Survival Guide compiled by High Wizard from many sources.
    Last edited by TheCotMan; June 15, 2005, 11:06. Reason: typo

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Falln
      Hey, I am a 14 year old that is being dragged along to Vegas with his parents. A major plus side to this is we are going the same time as DEF CON, and my dad and I are planning to go. What I am scared of is the atmosphere there would be somewhat embarressing for me to be there with my dad. Can someone please break down what goes on and confirm/deny my suspicions?

      1. You wont look out of place being there with your dad. We have quite a few father/son teams that show up. Heck, Siviak brings his mom, and she's cool as all hell.

      2. Dont be scared of the atmosphere, what you see a lot of on the forums is somewhat of an exaggeration. Imagine watching Revenge of the Nerds before going off to college. You'll get there and find out that while yes, there is some craziness, its not like people will be ambushing you and throwing you in the pool.

      Dont skip attending because of fears of what it might be like, go and check it out. If its not for you, hey, you can say its not for you because you went.

      I return whatever i wish . Its called FREEDOWM OF RANDOMNESS IN A HECK . CLUSTERED DEFEATED CORn FORUM . Welcome to me

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Falln
        Hey, I am a 14 year old that is being dragged along to Vegas with his parents. A major plus side to this is we are going the same time as DEF CON, and my dad and I are planning to go. What I am scared of is the atmosphere there would be somewhat embarressing for me to be there with my dad. Can someone please break down what goes on and confirm/deny my suspicions?

        Just becareful in bringing your dad, because there is a high chance that people may find him cooler to hangout with .

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        • #5
          Originally posted by noid
          Dont skip attending because of fears of what it might be like, go and check it out. If its not for you, hey, you can say its not for you because you went.
          incredibly well-stated, Noid.

          i'd also recommend that it's best to keep the most open, curious, and inquiring mind possible when arriving. sure, there may be a little bit of craziness here or there on the hotel grounds (but, as people above have stated, you're not likely to run into wild antics the instant you set foot there... many stories you read on the forums are the exception and not the rule) but in every direction that you look something new is happening.

          remember that your defcon badge is an all-access pass to the events, talks, vendor areas, etc. once you're in, you're in so cruise around a bit and see all that's going on. there's great people at almost every turn and always something new happening. no matter who you are at defcon you can find plent of great vibes that are right up your alley if you take it all in.

          <shameless plug>
          i recommend my talk for you and your dad, since my topic of lockpicking and physical security would be understood by him even if he's not as techy as you. it would give him a great idea of how our community is passionate about discovering and exposing bad security, and how we educate the public about such flaws so that they can be safer. you didn't say why your folks were coming to vegas (whether it's for a vacation or for defcon or for a bran producer's convention) so i don't know if your dad is tech-minded or not. if he is then you guys will be in heaven no matter what talks you hit.
          </shameless plug>

          have a good time!
          Last edited by Deviant Ollam; June 15, 2005, 11:42. Reason: fixing quote tag
          "I'll admit I had an OiNK account and frequented it quite often… What made OiNK a great place was that it was like the world's greatest record store… iTunes kind of feels like Sam Goody to me. I don't feel cool when I go there. I'm tired of seeing John Mayer's face pop up. I feel like I'm being hustled when I visit there, and I don't think their product is that great. DRM, low bit rate, etc... OiNK it existed because it filled a void of what people want."
          - Trent Reznor

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          • #6
            Wow, thanks for the quick responses. In response to Deviant, my family is going there for vacation, but my dad scheduled it around Defcon. Yes, my father is techie, but he is not in/with the internet/hacking subculture so a lot of things will probably not make sense to him. Big thanks to The CotMan for the linkie.

            Seems like a good time

            lol@bran producers convention.

            Thanks

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            • #7
              Sorry for barging into the middle (end) of a thread, but I think my situation applies here as well. (With a little variation, of course.)

              I'm 16, and I plan on staying at DefCon for the entire time. I've been a part of an official DC group for a while, and I'm looking forward to my first con. I really want to get the full DefCon experience when I go, and I was wondering if being 16 is going to curtail that at all. The response I've mainly gotten was "act mature and you'll be fine," although I'm not too sure. I know the drinking won't be a part of it, but other than that, what worries should I have?

              Thanks,

              -tig

              </scary first post>
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Falln
                Hey, I am a 14 year old that is being dragged along to Vegas with his parents. A major plus side to this is we are going the same time as DEF CON, and my dad and I are planning to go. What I am scared of is the atmosphere there would be somewhat embarressing for me to be there with my dad. Can someone please break down what goes on and confirm/deny my suspicions?
                You are a very lucky kid you know! Your dad sounds pretty cool.

                I wouldn't worry too much, most of the con is pretty harmless. Most of the stuff you might not want dad too see goes on at night, and often at private parties behind closed doors. You won't see guys in gimp suites doing line of coke off a hookers ass poolside in the afternoon.

                Plus, many folks will behave themself in the presence of a kid (no offence) and his parent.

                Also, it's pretty easy to avoid stuff just by the name of the party. It's a safe bet you should not take dad to any even called "Strippercon" or "Bondagecon". However, if you get invited to go to the "In-N-Out", that's safe.

                There are drugs about, but you won't see too much of that in public, doing drugs in public would mean having to share.

                I have thought about bringing Mother Normal, but she might out drink me and make me look bad.
                "There are no failed experiments, only more data"

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by theIG
                  Sorry for barging into the middle (end) of a thread...
                  You get plus points for having a topic that is related and posting to a current thread, but you could have looked over what was provided so far and asked more specific questions. (In my view, your question has been answered in the above replies.)

                  Do you have something specific in mind? [We can't know how your age may limit you unless you tell us what things you are worried having limited.]

                  Adding more content:
                  There are two forms of security at the Alexis Park/Alexis Villa (AP/AV)
                  * AP Hired security guards (who are as dumb as a flaming bag of rocks)
                  * DefCon Security Goons (much nicer and better for most people going to the con)

                  They are usually not too far away from any location at DC. There have been periodic patrols of the parking lots, and also the grounds. Their presence helps to make for a safe time.

                  As for the drinking I mentioned, not everyone drinks, and encountering drunk people is much less common in the presentations than it is at night near the pools.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by theIG
                    Sorry for barging into the middle (end) of a thread, but I think my situation applies here as well. (With a little variation, of course.)

                    I'm 16, and I plan on staying at DefCon for the entire time. I've been a part of an official DC group for a while, and I'm looking forward to my first con. I really want to get the full DefCon experience when I go, and I was wondering if being 16 is going to curtail that at all. The response I've mainly gotten was "act mature and you'll be fine," although I'm not too sure. I know the drinking won't be a part of it, but other than that, what worries should I have?

                    Thanks,

                    -tig

                    </scary first post>
                    I don't think you have much to worry about. The only thing you can't do is gamble, but since the AP doesn't even have a casino that won't be an issue.

                    You will be able to attend all the con events, and most parties. Sometimes people at the parties will card you for booze, but since you don't plan on drinking that won't affect you either.

                    Unless of course you are an asshole, then you won't get invited.
                    "There are no failed experiments, only more data"

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Abby_Normal
                      You won't see guys in gimp suites doing line of coke off a hookers ass poolside in the afternoon.
                      well shit. There go my plans for Friday afternoon. Thanks Abby.
                      If I had a nickle for every time someone offered me ten cents to keep my two cents to myself... I would be a rich man.

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                      • #12
                        You get plus points for having a topic that is related and posting to a current thread, but you could have looked over what was provided so far and asked more specific questions. (In my view, your question has been answered in the above replies.)
                        I felt that my situation would be somewhat different, seeing how I have no parents or family attending with me; just people from my DC group.

                        Do you have something specific in mind? [We can't know how your age may limit you unless you tell us what things you are worried having limited.]
                        It seems from abby_normals post that I will be able to attend everything. My main worry was the stuff going on at night, like parties. I really don't want to be stuck in my room at night with nowhere to go. That was my biggest worry, but I tend to get along with people pretty good, so hopefully I'll be invited to some cool places. I was also sort of worried about getting around the hotel, but it seems like that won't be a problem. I also look older than I am, so that seems like a plus.

                        So, as long as I'm not a dick, I should be able to do pretty much everything?

                        -tig
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by theIG
                          So, as long as I'm not a dick, I should be able to do pretty much everything?
                          Let me offer some examples to help you...
                          There is an event called The Unofficial DefCon Shoot. Is that an interest you have? If so, you may be able to attend, but will you be able to shoot a weapon while you are there?

                          There is an event called the Toxic BBQ, but it is located off site at a park a short distance away. Driving there makes it easier, so having a car, or knowing someone who has a car makes that easier, but being 16 that may be a problem unless you can get a ride with someone else or bring your own.

                          Is your interest presentations? Not a problem. Open to all.
                          Vendor room? Again, no problem.
                          A private party someone has in their hotel room? Maybe a problem--depending on what is at the party, the people hosting it and how you act.

                          So, "everything," is a broad topic. Are there specific events that you want to see? Things you want to do?
                          Last edited by TheCotMan; June 15, 2005, 13:04.

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                          • #14
                            Alright. I get the point.

                            I can do anything within my legal boundaries.

                            Thank you very much for the clarification, and I'll try to be more active on these forums as DC approaches.


                            -tig
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Siviak
                              well shit. There go my plans for Friday afternoon. Thanks Abby.
                              Don't be silly Siviak, everyone knows that the best time to do that would be before breakfast!

                              The other day we were playing GTA, and we got to thinking, wouldn't it be really funny to go about your normaly daily activities while wearing a gimp suit? Think about it, you'd go to the post office, the grocery store, maybe the bank. Normal day, normal stuff, but in a gimp suit.

                              I don't know, I giggle everytime I think about it.
                              Last edited by Abby_Normal; June 15, 2005, 12:55.
                              "There are no failed experiments, only more data"

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