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  • converge
    No Values Voter
    • Oct 2001
    • 3322

    #31
    I suppose I'll drudge this thread up because I'm currently between a rock and a stale burnt cookie from two months ago.

    I'll open by stating that I have wanted a powerbook G4 ever since they came out. I still feel that urge. I am aware of quality control issues expressed by reliable sources.. but damn, I still want a powerbook. That said, I have spent the night trying to get a grasp on modern laptop standpoint. My head is sore. So lets open with my #1 goal.

    ) I want a small/light notebook, hopefully of the 12" and under 4lb sort, but possibly slightly larger and slightly heavier.

    My Inspiron 8100 has been a tank that has survived many a hardship over the past 4-5 years including heavy usage (rarely off, never bored), many an hour on the seat of my car including my summer drive across the country, through the desert and up. It weighs a fucking ton and is too large to comfortably fit in most bags. I know that Dell has also had some quality issues, so I am leary of getting another; even though word of their CompleteCare is quite encouraging.

    The greatest comparison, of course, is power / size. For the greater part of tonight I've been trying to equate what current mobile processors have to offer. From all gathering, the G4 processor is getting stale but is still impressive. In speed comparison, the Pentium M appears to be the contender, particularly the Dothan with exception to SSE3 instruction support. I could try to wait out a Yonah, but that could take until mid-2006 for me to afford and obtain... I'm not certain this box will last that long, nor my patience with it. OTOH, the powerbook doesn't look like it will get an overhaul until mid to late 2006; slated as a 64bit base that will likely be highly competitive to its other Intel-based counterparts (go Apple!?).

    I do not game, although some level of video processing and graphics rendering is important to me. I like virtualmachines, I use virtualmachines, I like horses of many colors. Compiling speed is not an issue.. I have yet to write anything that requires insane compile time, general software compile time is adequate on my existing system so anything faster is cream, and I do not generally run OS's like gentoo outside of virtualmachine fun. I run many things at once, so memory and proc are relatively important. I generally encode video while enjoying music/tv, possibly have my xbox set in the backdrop, with my usual slew of scattered terminals, browser windows, and general junk... all the while shifting multiple GB of data around between portable drives and remote systems for the hell of it while doinking in 2-3 virtualmachines and burning a dvd. All in one pocket-sized system that never gets hot, has no wires and has a battery that lasts 10 days on one charge.

    Ok.. so I really do use the box, but I'm a little more realistic than that. What I need to determine is:
    1) G4 vs M
    2) SSE3 vs SSE2
    3) Dell vs IBM vs Panasonic vs Mike Tyson
    4) Waiting 2 weeks vs waiting 2 months vs waiting 2 years

    WWJD? (what would joo do?)

    What I'm trying to avoid is thick opinion. Some level of opinion is required, but I'm trying to make an educated decision not a hyped up one. I understand that the Mac is probably cooler, trendier, and likely of better design than xl; it appears that IBM has a favorable preference among the group over other vendors, but I've also heard several downs about them/repair/servicing in my research. What say ye?

    Like most folk, money is not entirely a-flowing like New Orleans... so this notebook should be able to last a good 2-3 year period before I can begin dreaming of another. My ability to afford anything > $2000 is pretty unlikely in the near future.

    -- .. now I stop
    if it gets me nowhere, I'll go there proud; and I'm gonna go there free.

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    • astcell
      Human Rights Issuer
      • Oct 2001
      • 7512

      #32
      If there is something out there that you want..not need, but want for purely "wow this strokes me the right way" reasoning, then get it. Yes it is probably all the bells and whistles you will never need, but you WANT it.

      If you buy what is practical, what you "need" and no more, then it will suffice but it is not what you WANT. There is no way to measure the validity of a want. It just is. We can measure needs all day long, but not wants.

      If what you want has the minimum qualifications, then get it. It's only money.

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      • TheCotMan
        *****Retired *****
        • May 2004
        • 8857

        #33
        Originally posted by converge
        I'll open by stating that I have wanted a powerbook G4 ever since they came out. I still feel that urge.
        I'm a little fuzzy on this; I want to know what Chris thinks of Apple. ]:->

        I want a small/light notebook, of the 12" and under 4lb ... maybe larger and heavier.
        My Inspiron 8100 has been a tank...
        Dell Business Laptops have been durable but bulky. IMO, historically, IBM laptops have been as reliable and the next most durable, but smaller. IBM gets my cash when I am willing to pay a little more than for a Dell business laptop. If small size and durability are the two biggest issues in selecting an x86 system notebook/laptop, IBM would get my vote. (I Still have a ThinkPad 560 that is still working; at 9 years old, that's pretty good.)

        1) G4 vs M
        Compare battery life and replacement cost for multiple batteries. Have the G4 improved their battery-life-and-performace compared to x86 Pentium-M?
        In the past, there were issues WRT speed-stepping down the G4 laptops to make the battery life last longer-- much more throttling than comparable x86. When plugged into AC, that is a different story.

        Didn't Apple say they were going to start supporting their own Intel builds? If they see the future Intel anounced low-power chips as the way of the future for their laptops, will you be purchasing obseleted technology that is being phased out?

        Hard to say. Apple has a history of making decisions and then changing their collective mind.
        Franklin Ace/Laser 128? Let them be. No! Sue them.
        Build the, "Lisa," it is the future. No. Go away Jobs. We're building the Mac for thousands cheaper.
        Build the Newton! It will be a hit. No, let's sell that. No, let's get it back. Oh... Nevermind.
        Check out our new Remote control and rebuild software!
        Oh, we no longer want to support it. We are licensing it out to SmartStuff for them to re-sell.
        No, we want it back to market on our own.
        Let's license our hardware to others for diversity in our market place! We are an OS vendor, not a hardware Vendor! (Come Power Computing et al.) Oh! We were just kidding!
        Then there is:
        5 REM WE ARE SLUTS.
        10 PRINT "We Hate MS."
        20 PRINT "We're getting in bed with MS."
        30 GOTO 10
        This started as early as 1976(?) with the Apple ][. IIRC, when Apple found need for more than Woz's Integer Basic, (like floating point) and dealt with Microsoft for a new BASIC interpreter.

        It's been like two lovers caught in the cycle of domestic abuse.

        2) SSE3 vs SSE2
        Do you have present need for SSE3? Will you expect to have need for it? This one is answered by predicting the future, and your future intended use.

        3) Dell vs IBM vs Panasonic vs Mike Tyson
        Mike Tyson. Why? You can have him DoS all other laptops, and then any laptop you have will be the fastest in the world. ;-)
        For, "small." more durable than Sony Viao. and reasonable value, IBM. I don't know about Panasonic.

        4) Waiting 2 weeks vs waiting 2 months vs waiting 2 years
        Like the answer on SSE2/SSE3: predictions of your future.

        WWJD? (what would joo do?)
        Jew? Religion? No politics or religion! (heh heh.)
        I am a "big guy" and laptop weight does not bother me. However, durability is an issue as I am a bit of an ogre when it comes to hardware, and tend to be more abusive than most. For me, having an oversized brick that is durable is more important than size/weight.

        What I'm trying to avoid is thick opinion.
        Doh! Now you tell me.

        Some level of opinion is required, but I'm trying to make an educated decision not a hyped up one. I understand that the Mac is probably cooler, trendier, and likely of better design than xl; it appears that IBM has a favorable preference among the group over other vendors, but I've also heard several downs about them/repair/servicing in my research. What say ye?
        In our on-site shop, the most common repair for Apple noteboooks has to do with power. Dents to the case that prevent the power plug from fully making contact, yanked cables, bad power supplies. This also seems to be a problem with many different x86 laptops. (I don't work in the shop, but was listening to some of our employees complain about the kinds of fixes.)

        -- .. now I stop
        Hey! You better! I am beginning to feel as though you are trying to steal my job of making long posts. (heh heh)

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        • converge
          No Values Voter
          • Oct 2001
          • 3322

          #34
          Originally posted by TheCotMan
          I'm a little fuzzy on this; I want to know what Chris thinks of Apple. ]:->
          It appears that IBM leads the pack in durability; everyone I know admits that the Dell units are cheaply built, but for a little extra cash many of my more intelligent friends appear to get CompleteCare and all possible support complaints go out the window.

          Originally posted by TheCotMan
          Compare battery life and replacement cost for multiple batteries. Have the G4 improved their battery-life-and-performace compared to x86 Pentium-M?
          To my knowledge, or at least so far, I have not read about this being reasonably improved. Battery life is a lower concern on my totem pole, but still a concern.

          Originally posted by TheCotMan
          Didn't Apple say they were going to start supporting their own Intel builds?
          Yep. The next generation of powerbook is expected to run an Intel 64bit based proc. My gut tells me this is a dumb move for Apple; then again, I'm not an engineer looking at Intel's plans for future proc development. From all I gather, the powerbooks popularity is what pushed Intel to abandon its moronic P4 marketing venture and come back to earth with a decent processor design. The debate in my mind is whether Intel is making better power/price chips than IBM these days, or if Apple is just making a marketing statement.


          Originally posted by TheCotMan
          If they see the future Intel anounced low-power chips as the way of the future for their laptops, will you be purchasing obseleted technology that is being phased out?
          That is the crux of my debate over the powerbook... because powerbooks also have become outdated in bus speed, resolution, hd response time, etc. BUT THEY ARE COOL!!! ehem...

          Originally posted by TheCotMan
          It's been like two lovers caught in the cycle of domestic abuse.
          That's how I describe the forums except in more of a polyamorous scope of abuse.

          Originally posted by TheCotMan
          Do you have present need for SSE3? Will you expect to have need for it?
          The only software that requires it (for full operation) to date is OS X and Rosetta. I just don't want to be the one holding the SSE2 proc mid2006 while everyone points at me and laughs. The point has been made that most software developers would be insane to start requiring it, there would be a transition of course. Judging by the mainstream release point (Intel Prescott), I think it is safe to assume that I'm still at towards the beginning of transition and can probably make it until 64bit becomes mainstream.

          Originally posted by TheCotMan
          Hey! You better! I am beginning to feel as though you are trying to steal my job of making long posts. (heh heh)
          For the record, I am not the one that brought Integer BASIC into this discussion.
          if it gets me nowhere, I'll go there proud; and I'm gonna go there free.

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