Most complicated code

[Freedom Matrix]

I was just thinking about the fact that most of us deal with code a lot.

Why not build your own, and try and build it complicated so that way it is difficult to for 'others' to use it.

But to make it more interesting. Why have it written down on paper? You know, a code that can be read like words?

Maybe this is just trash, but it sounded really cool in my head... *sigh*...

[highwizard]

I was just thinking about the fact that most of us deal with code a lot.

Why not build your own, and try and build it complicated so that way it is difficult to for 'others' to use it.

Maybe this is just trash, but it sounded really cool in my head... *sigh*...

That is one of the fucking STUPIDest ideas I have ever heard.


Maybe you should keep those ideas in your head.



I'm curious what kind of code you deal with a lot?

[hackajar]

Sounds like your in the "Enlightining Stage" and just realzing potential for all that is out there.

There is readable code availble, which you should really refer to as "Cypher" or "Encryption". Think of written language like English and French. If I have no clue what French should look like, or how to read it, then I'm not going to "Get" the cypher. Were someone who does will.

There a billions of ways to do this here is a start.

[Xodia]

I was just thinking about the fact that most of us deal with code a lot.

Why not build your own, and try and build it complicated so that way it is difficult to for 'others' to use it.

But to make it more interesting. Why have it written down on paper? You know, a code that can be read like words?

Maybe this is just trash, but it sounded really cool in my head... *sigh*...

on yousuck()
display dialog "You are an idiot?" buttons {"OK"}
end yousuck

yousuck()

[dataw0lf]

Why not just call it the 'Perl Programming Contest' ?

;)

[TheCotMan]

I was just thinking about the fact that most of us deal with code a lot.
Why not build your own, and try and build it complicated so that way it is difficult to for 'others' to use it.
But to make it more interesting. Why have it written down on paper? You know, a code that can be read like words?
Maybe this is just trash, but it sounded really cool in my head... *sigh*...

You mean, like The International Obfuscated C Code Contest?

Many people have tried different variations on making code complicated or more difficult to read. That contest has been around for a long time, and if you look through some of the entries, you will find a lot of code that is difficult to read.

Having code that is hard to follow because of the names used for identifiers is probably amaturish in this contest-- though it may appear in addition to other techniques.

Look through some of the winners' code, and see what I am writing about.

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Examples:
http://www0.us.ioccc.org/2004/anonymous.c
http://www0.us.ioccc.org/2004/arachnid.c
http://www0.us.ioccc.org/2004/newbern.c
http://www0.us.ioccc.org/2004/gavare.c

[highwizard]

You mean, like The International Obfuscated C Code Contest?

Many people have tried different variations on making code complicated or more difficult to read. That contest has been around for a long time, and if you look through some of the entries, you will find a lot of code that is difficult to read.

Having code that is hard to follow because of the names used for identifiers is probably amaturish in this contest-- though it may appear in addition to other techniques.

Look through some of the winners' code, and see what I am writing about.

Thanks for encouraging him.

[TheCotMan]

Thanks for encouraging him.

I would say, "I'm all about the service," but that is owned by Chris.

Here's is my point:
The contest is 18 years old. The idea to have a contest where obfuscated code is used, is not at all new-- it may even be older than the poster.

(See the examples added to the post above.)

[highwizard]

I would say, "I'm all about the service," but that is owned by Chris.

Here's is my point:
The contest is 18 years old. The idea to have a contest where obfuscated code is used, is not at all new-- it may even be older than the poster.

(See the examples added to the post above.)

1) Chris stole that quote from me

Here is my point:
All his post today have reaked of fucktardity. Encouraging his idea's without discussing the merits of good code is doing a disservice to him and the community.

And really, I kinda expect more outta you.

[TheCotMan]

1) Chris stole that quote from me

That is not what he says. I have a document that says he owns the IP for that quote. He added a b unch of space so he could copyright it too. ]:>

Here is my point:
All his post today have reaked of fucktardity. Encouraging his idea's without discussing the merits of good code is doing a disservice to him and the community.

I am actually a fan of the obfuscated C code contest. They are fun puzzles to try to decipher-- just so long as they are not in projects by co-workers in projects at work.
If he is a tard, then he will receive more than enough comments telling him/her so, that my contribution will be a drop of water in the ocean.

And really, I kinda expect more outta you.

Thanks mom.
That is the story of my life.

[skroo]

I was just thinking about the fact that most of us deal with code a lot.

Why not build your own, and try and build it complicated so that way it is difficult to for 'others' to use it.

Here, let me cut out the middleman: http://www.x.org/download.cgi

And if that one's not confusing enough, let's try ftp://ftp.xfree86.org/pub/XFree86/4.5.0/source/

But to make it more interesting. Why have it written down on paper? You know, a code that can be read like words?

Punchcards. Punchcards with no sequence numbering.

(Actually, what you're talking about is pseudocode, one of those things that's a great idea in theory and not so hot when it comes to implementation time.)

[klepto]

Id say something in brainfuck would be the most obscure.

Otherwise, if you see this line in the BSD or Linux kernel:

/* You are not expected to understand this */

Then its probably obscure code.

[dYn4mic]

All his post today have reaked of fucktardity. Encouraging his idea's without discussing the merits of good code is doing a disservice to him and the community.

I think his idea was vaild. The obfuscated C code contest is quite intresting I think...
There's a new one that they just started...
http://www.brainhz.com/underhanded/

"Inspired by Daniel Horn's Obfuscated V contest in the fall of 2004, we hereby announce an annual contest to write innocent-looking C code implementing malicious behavior. "

This is an excellent example of how a contest like this can improve security overall.

Fucktardity? I don't think so.
At least he was thinking in the right 'direction', or thinking even...

[cat]

I was just thinking about the fact that most of us deal with code a lot.

Why not build your own, and try and build it complicated so that way it is difficult to for 'others' to use it.

But to make it more interesting. Why have it written down on paper? You know, a code that can be read like words?

Maybe this is just trash, but it sounded really cool in my head... *sigh*...

All I can say is that you don't deal with code enough.

Security through obscurity - isn't. Not only that, but added complexity and confusion makes it much more likely that security issues will be introduced in maintenance if they aren't there already.

I'll take clean maintainable code over 'cleverness' any day - and somebody that can articulate their ideas clearly over the endlessly baroque.

[bascule]

Why not just call it the 'Perl Programming Contest' ?

;)

Mad props for that