Anti Trust

[Ridirich]

I just finished watching a movie called "Anti Trust". I know it's an older movie, but I had never seen it before.

I would definitly put it on the "should watch at least one time" list.

To me, it seemed realistic in the hacking sense, had correct elements of network security, in fact I did not notice anything in the movie that was not realistic.

I was curious if anyone else had, and what their thoughts on it were.

[TheCotMan]

I was curious if anyone else had, and what their thoughts on it were.

It has been a while since I saw it, but here are a few:
When Milo uses the "SmartCard/ID" printer to print his own card, there is no indication that the head of security examined the audit trail of printed ID. If security was supposed to be so advanced, why did they not have auditing?

When he switches the video to playback video fro 72 hour prior, and then tells it to return to record after playback, there is no indication of how security would treat an incomplete tape/record.

Also, wouldn't a "security professional" find problems when guards on tape talk into their radios, but there is no radio transmission on the site-radio heard at the same time by the guard on video duty?

Why would the children's room computers be on the same network as those having sensitive information? Why would sensitive information be stored in a low security area like a children's room? No "layered security." For claiming to have great security, you would think such things would exist.

Satellite IP addresses were all "unroutable" using the "10" class a network. I guess this is possible for a use, but the addresses used did not show any kind of rational subnetting.

Things I did like... Shell was mostly reasonable with a few exceptions. The biggest breaks in security were caused by insiders. (Many surveys state most business computer security problems are cause by employees on accident or purpose.)

Did not like....
Big business is evil, and dead-set to paving a road to hell with the bodies, blood and guts of innocent people.
Sure, businesses' primary purpose is profit, but having people killed to steal their code seems a bit over-the-top.
Also did not like how the "great security" had lots of "expensive tech" to help enforce policies, but lacked fundamental security concepts.

[astcell]

"Also did not like how the "great security" had lots of "expensive tech" to help enforce policies, but lacked fundamental security concepts." -CotMan

You mean like at the AP?

[TheCotMan]

"Also did not like how the "great security" had lots of "expensive tech" to help enforce policies, but lacked fundamental security concepts." -CotMan

You mean like at the AP?

They had expensive security tech?

When I look at casinos, I see more expensive tech, and better policies seem to be included.

[Ridirich]

lol, see this is why I asked for another set of eyes and comments on it.

[octalpus]

That movie was retarded propoganda. "Fuck Microsoft, they're watching you!" Yeah... lay off the drugs.

[allentrace]

That movie was retarded propoganda. "Fuck Microsoft, they're watching you!" Yeah... lay off the drugs.

I agree Hollywood the very idea of Big Corporations gone wrong likes to use little buzzwords to generate interest.

[astcell]

They had expensive security tech?

Do you count bicycles?

[bascule]

All I have to say is:

MURDERED FOR CODE!

[TheCotMan]

Do you count bicycles?

Yes. They had me committed once for doing that.
1. 2. 3. 4. ...

MURDERED FOR CODE!

Naw.... that would not be Over -the-Top, would it? (heh heh)

[AlxRogan]

I knew that when someone mentioned Anti-Trust, Bascule would not be far behind.

[SneakAttacker]

It has been a while since I saw it, but here are a few:
When Milo uses the "SmartCard/ID" printer to print his own card, there is no indication that the head of security examined the audit trail of printed ID. If security was supposed to be so advanced, why did they not have auditing?

When he switches the video to playback video fro 72 hour prior, and then tells it to return to record after playback, there is no indication of how security would treat an incomplete tape/record.

Also, wouldn't a "security professional" find problems when guards on tape talk into their radios, but there is no radio transmission on the site-radio heard at the same time by the guard on video duty?

Why would the children's room computers be on the same network as those having sensitive information? Why would sensitive information be stored in a low security area like a children's room? No "layered security." For claiming to have great security, you would think such things would exist.

Satellite IP addresses were all "unroutable" using the "10" class a network. I guess this is possible for a use, but the addresses used did not show any kind of rational subnetting.

Things I did like... Shell was mostly reasonable with a few exceptions. The biggest breaks in security were caused by insiders. (Many surveys state most business computer security problems are cause by employees on accident or purpose.)

Did not like....
Big business is evil, and dead-set to paving a road to hell with the bodies, blood and guts of innocent people.
Sure, businesses' primary purpose is profit, but having people killed to steal their code seems a bit over-the-top.
Also did not like how the "great security" had lots of "expensive tech" to help enforce policies, but lacked fundamental security concepts.

I noticed one or two of these, but all of them... I'm amazed. I'm watching the movie as soon as possible and I'll try and check these goofs.

[Ridirich]

I never said the situation was accurate, though I can imagine that some businesses are cut-throat like that even if it is not to that degree.

Here is what I noticed:

Yes, the "information" was in the kid's play area. Why? That entire network(if you noticed) in that building was a stand-alone, intranet system. The man who was monitoring all the people coding had to load a cdrom into the kid's intranet to save the information. It was the CYA principal I guess. If people went snooping for information, they would not find it on the general mainframe, and not many would think..."Well, golly gee wiz, I bet you they hid it on the children's network!"

If you pay close attention to the movie you will notice during the coding scenes that it looked realistic, not like "Johnny Pneumonic" type of crap or "Hackers" where they needed goggles to "hack".

Yeah, it did remind me of Microsoft a little, now that you mention it, though if you recall...they mention William Gates in the movie, and laugh about how outdated his stuff is(specifically a picture on the wall).

Furthermore I enjoyed the medical element in the movie. His descision to cut his arm to see if poppyseeds were located in the soup. In any case, it is not a horrible movie. As I said, it should be watched at least once, then that's it.

Yes, inaccurate movies annoy me. "King Author" is one of those. The whole movie they have Author confused with Uther's time period.

"Titanic" was highly innacurate, but then again I have logs in my possession that give me knowledge that most people don't have. One of them is a transmission from a ship to the Titanic stating that they are running into an area where there are large formations of ice, and the captain sends back a message that he does not care, he has the strongest ship in the world.

I could go through the plethora of militairy movies I have that are innacurate as well, including "Tears of the Sun", "The Rock", "Pearl Harbor" ...ect.

I grew up militairy, my father was special forces and due to this I have had access to unclassified things that most people are not aware of. I never expect movie stars to have the facts all correct. I do expect them to entertain me. It is just nice to notice some things in movies that happen to be correct and maybe discuss them.

[Slowta]

i think for the entertainment value of that movie, it did a damn good job of showing some real insights on actuall hacking and prog.

[allentrace]

i think for the entertainment value of that movie, it did a damn good job of showing some real insights on actuall hacking and prog.

Well then Bascule owes you a punch.