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  • #16
    can you add WhiteSword TV to the tv line up ?
    WhiteSword Media ©

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    • #17
      merged posts

      I hate to say it, but I have to agree with both sides.

      While it's nice to have access to the talks again, it's really hard to plan some of the non events and go to a talk too. I mean last year, all I did was plan a party, and that took all day running around.

      What's more, it's really nice to watch the talks nekkid in my room, with mah bitches on mah arms. ;)

      BUT.... If I wanted to watch them on a screen, why not stay home and watch the mpgs.

      Adam

      Originally posted by TheCotMan
      Once we have the whole hotel to ourselves (not counting the casino) we may (guessing the future) be able to get access to more channels and if the convention is that big, maybe there will once again be room crowding issues that will force use hotel cable tv for presentations broadcasted to rooms.

      Between hotel-room-tv talks and guaranteed access to actually be in a the room of a presentation, I'll take being in the room with the talk. (You can ask questions this way.)
      Every room has a clock radio in it. Mostly TV didn't have enough resolution to show much of anything anyways.

      Why not broadcast the talks on a low power FM radio station? I'll build the transmistters. ;)

      Or how about continuing with the wifi, but shoutcast only though, I fear that we will not be able to saturate the hotel via wifi. I'm thinking a shoutcast feed to an external site, and BYO access to get to the dc talk site. This would allow those too friggin broke to also attend or too lazy to get dressed and leave the room, to attend virtually and still get something out of the conference.

      This gives people incentive to actually show up for the talks but the ability to listen to the talks they can't make it to for some reason. It's kinda the best of both worlds.


      Adam


      Originally posted by TheCotMan
      This is a really bad sign, since transmitting with WiFi (be it broadcast or live sessions) is dedicated, and mututally exclusive to other transmissions.
      If we assume 3 presentations with 1Mbps for each, then there is 3 Mbps and over some baseline.
      If we assume the baseline is 1 Mbps, then that is one presentations and a DoS to all other users of the accesspoint for other purposes.
      If we have 2 or more dedicated WiFi devices setup to broadcast the same presentation, there is risk for interference between these, and when adding more presentations-dedicated WiFi, even more interferences, and adding WiFi for web browsers/games, perhaps more interference.


      Cool deal. It will be interesting to see what is found.

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      • #18
        Using "Search" this is the closest place I can find to put this. We need this on Defcon TV!

        http://tinyurl.com/re3a4

        The video is here:

        http://img.dailymail.co.uk/video/cabbie.wmv

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        • #19
          lolz astcell
          45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B0
          45 5F E1 04 22 CA 29 C4 93 3F 95 05 2B 79 2A B1
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          • #20
            One thing to keep in mind is that the reason we really pumped time into doing DCTV was because of the over-crowding issue at the AP. We simply didn't have enough seats to let EVERYONE into all the speaking rooms.

            At the Riv, that shouldn't be a problem, so the *need* to broadcast talks goes away.

            Personally, I think it's still a great nice-to-have - I dunno how effective an audio-only solution would be (since many speakers refer constantly to their slides, or better yet, to doing a demo). But it's certainly something we can investigate.

            I'm trying to talk DT into some ideas about having attendees contribute content for DCTV. Right now DCTV is slated to be the movie channel and the Info/Schedule/Update channel. IMESHO, *boring.*

            I'd be very interested in what people think about mixing it up. How do you feel about the Movie Channel? Do you like it? Do you care? Do you want better movies? Do you care less & would rather see it used for something else?

            Feedback's important. I'll have to be spending more time on the forums (dammit!).

            Lock

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Lockheed
              I'd be very interested in what people think about mixing it up. How do you feel about the Movie Channel? Do you like it? Do you care? Do you want better movies? Do you care less & would rather see it used for something else?
              If we don't have access to many channels, something to consider is a split-screen presentation. Stats and updates of scores in CTF in one corner, schedule updates for presentations and special event in another corner, announcements in another corner, and some sort of video (with audio) in the last corner, like movies, or filler content, etc.

              Feedback's important. I'll have to be spending more time on the forums (dammit!).
              :-P~
              It can't be *that* bad. If you have ideas to make the forums more attractive to you, I'd like to hear it. (I like feedback too. :-)

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              • #22
                Originally posted by TheCotMan
                If we don't have access to many channels, something to consider is a split-screen presentation. Stats and updates of scores in CTF in one corner, schedule updates for presentations and special event in another corner, announcements in another corner, and some sort of video (with audio) in the last corner, like movies, or filler content, etc.
                That's actually a *great* idea, and might help with some ideas I have. Thx :)


                Originally posted by TheCotMan
                :-P~ It can't be *that* bad. If you have ideas to make the forums more attractive to you, I'd like to hear it. (I like feedback too. :-)
                I'm just being sarcastic :) I actually like how things work here - it's just sometimes slow on content, so if falls "out-of-sight/out-of-mind" as it were.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Lockheed
                  That's actually a *great* idea, and might help with some ideas I have. Thx :)
                  It might cause problems with the content previously provided with CTF stats, as their "full-screen" display in previous years used split screen displays for team summaries, and result in content too small to read if compressed into another split screen, but they could change team summary pages to one at a time.

                  I'm just being sarcastic :) I actually like how things work here - it's just sometimes slow on content, so if falls "out-of-sight/out-of-mind" as it were.
                  Heh-heh. Well, the opportunity is still there for feedback.

                  Some things that may help you with the issues you describe:

                  1) We have mail working, so you can subscribe to a thread and get e-mail when someone posts a reply to a thread, to which, you have subscribed.

                  2) We have 2 RSS feeds (different version protocols) at the bottom for new threads. They don't get re-touched with a more recent timestamp when replies are made, but you can get a quick summary of new threads.

                  Use of 1 and 2 together may help you get what you want.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by TheCotMan
                    1) We have mail working, so you can subscribe to a thread and get e-mail when someone posts a reply to a thread, to which, you have subscribed.
                    Werd. I noticed! It's been a while since I've been around (a long while!) but I did catch that - muy bueno!


                    Originally posted by TheCotMan
                    2) We have 2 RSS feeds (different version protocols) at the bottom for new threads. They don't get re-touched with a more recent timestamp when replies are made, but you can get a quick summary of new threads.
                    I did notice the icons earlier tonight, but hadn't added them to my feed yet. Consider it done! I've lately become a big fan of RSS. In my "day-job" I only have so much time to be surfin' the web, and proper RSS feeds do help me keep up with the stuff I need!

                    Cheers!
                    Lock

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                    • #25
                      Okay, THAT being said....I'd like to post some of our ideas and get feedback for what we could do with DCTV.

                      1) THE GEEK CONFESSIONS - we setup a booth where attendees can
                      confess their sins. The best ones make it on-air. We'll have to figure out where to set it up, but details to be worked out if we proceed forward.

                      2) VIDEO-BLOGS - Have attendees submit a 'video-blog' of their
                      experiences while at DefCon or even of their trip to DefCon. The good
                      ones make it into rotation. If this has some success this year, might try to expand it next year.

                      3) PHONE-PIX - We have a box which can accept photos via
                      bluetooth (eg. cellphones). We can use those for random slide-show photos. Might be able to use these for BOTH TV channels - you might recall last year we took random photos to use for backdrops & such for the Info Channel (including pix of my car that I rolled driving to DefCon!)

                      One very important note: EVERYTHING GETS REVIEWED PRIOR TO GOING ON-AIR. Basically, everything needs to be generally PG-rated. It goes to the entire hotel (including non-con-related families & such watching TV in their rooms-- yanno, if we haven't scared 'em away by that point). We're trying very hard to play nice with the hotel.

                      The quad-matrix broadcast might work well for some of this. CotMan's note about CTF scoreboard are valid, and we'll have to see if we can do that in a legible/readable format.

                      We have fewer channels to work with this year, and we've already decided against re-broadcasting the talks (due to no longer being space-constrained) - so my feeling is we get the attendees involved in the content. Make this a "community" TV channel of sorts. A 24/7 movie channel is nice when we had channels to spare, but I'd love to kick it up a notch.


                      My group needs to get rollin' on this if ya'll think this stuff is a good idea, or some variant there-of, and coordinate with Grifter for movie content still, and figure out some sort of production schedule with the various schtuff. Con's not far off.

                      So... thoughts? feedback?

                      Lock

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                      • #26
                        All of those sound very entertaining to me. If anyone stepped up with interest in producing content, there could even be spinoff spoofs from syndicated TV, like.. 'Americas Next Top Hacker', etc... heh
                        if it gets me nowhere, I'll go there proud; and I'm gonna go there free.

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                        • #27
                          Yep. Good ideas, and perhaps people running events and contests can find volunteers to edit content for re-broadcast.

                          Some sort of on-line repository of things okayed for room-broadcast might be nice too, or an end-con torrent.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Lockheed
                            How do you feel about the Movie Channel?
                            I know people have mentioned this before, but I wouldn't mind if it simply went away. It requires a huge time commitment to watch a film; time which we don't have at Defcon. The filler, on the other hand, is perfect.

                            As for ways to make more efficient use of the spectrum, didn't we have a Defcon RSS feed showing on the Info channel last year? It might take a little work, but there shouldn't be any reason we don't show that over any video content. Some people may complain, though (I'm primarily thinking of those that record the movie channel to get access to some of the less common films).

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                            • #29
                              It might just be the same to run it, defcon tv, out of a convention room, people like watching movies together.

                              On the other hand I enjoy being able to watch the over crowded speeches on TV in another room.

                              We don't have the whole hotel and COX rules over strip hotels like Ivan the Terrible, so I can't imagine what a pain it is to rule a system that might effect more that the con goers.
                              tommEE pickles



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                              • #30
                                Re: Future of DCTV

                                I was thinking that a mesh network could be built using 802.11a.
                                With 28 channels there are enough channels to build/maintain the mesh and still have plenty left over to use separte channels for each presentation.

                                To deal with the kiddies, create a contest awarding point to whomever stops or prevents the most attacks.
                                "It's much more fun to be sand, than oil, in the machinery of life." - unknown

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