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    here's a news story that relates to security, but not in the digital sense about which we often speak. i know that folks like noid and some others have had rather interesting discussions with me on the topic of concealed carry before, and this story remarkably shows both sides of the argument, i think.

    participants...
    officer: Brian Harrison
    perpetrator: George Temple II
    armed bystander: Perry Stephens

    brief synopsis...
    1. it appears that Temple was being stopped by Harrison for a traffic violation (cutting into a funeral procession, or something else relatively minor)
    2. Temple got into an argument with the officer
    3. the argument became a physical brawl when Officer Harrison tried to get Temple out of his vehicle
    4. Stephens heard the altercation (this was in a public parking lot) and heard a shot as he approached.
    5. Stephens, who was legally armed, observed Temple and Officer Harrison fighting on the ground. Temple already had one round in him from the Officer at this point.
    6. Stephens shouted at the perpetrator to "get off him" or something along those lines
    7. when this request wasn't honored, he fired upon the perp in the torso (four rounds, all allegedly striking)
    8. when Temple (aparently, although i don't see how this is possible since Stephens was armed with a .45) kept fighting the cop, Stephens fired a headshot, ending the struggle
    9. Temple was deceased, and Stephens does not appear to be facing charges

    now, i assume we can all agree that it was good that a struggle with this maniac and a cop was ended (if the guy took that much lead he was possibly on drugs or having some psychotic episode) but there comes the question of whether or not it would have had to end fatally if Stephens hadn't been armed.

    on the other side of the coin, Stephens was disabled (neck brace, walking with cane) and likely in that condition wouldn't have felt adequate to the task of intervening at all in such a struggle were it not for the strength that his firearm brought to the scene.

    all in all, there's plenty of other facts in this case that will come out later. the perp, Temple, had a firearm in his car (that wasn't involved in the incident) and has a sheet consisting of simple battery and simple property destruction and had another trial pending in a similar vein.

    the officer doesn't have the best luck with CCW matters... he was in another incident in the past where a bystander with his own weapon persued a robbery suspect on foot. Officer Harrison (using a weapon that wasn't his) fired at the fleeing armed robber, but hit the innocent gun-weilding civilian instead.


    heh, and people ask me why i've never traveled to Louisiana.
    Last edited by Deviant Ollam; February 22, 2006, 13:11.
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  • #2
    Originally posted by Deviant Ollam

    on the other side of the coin, Stephens was disabled (neck brace, walking with cane) and likely in that condition wouldn't have felt adequate to the task of intervening at all in such a struggle were it not for the strength that his firearm brought to the scene.

    The fact that you are injured and not in a position to use lesser force should not imply that you are justified in use of deadly force. If Stephens felt the officer's life was in immediate danger, he should of shot- If Stephens did not feel this was the case the fact Stephens was not able to help the officer otherwise should not justify his use of deadly force.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Deviant Ollam
      heh, and people ask me why i've never traveled to Louisiana.
      Being from River Ridge La. DO makes a point here and may not realize it. South Louisiana is like another planet. This story is indicative of these people's mindsets.
      No court down there would ever convict the shooter.

      Permit or not, you can count on one in three people packing; and I mean the "normal" citizens and not gang bangers and the like.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Tacitus
        If Stephens felt the officer's life was in immediate danger, he should of shot-
        Stephens knew that a gun was already involved in the altercation, but he may not have known who was shot. If the officer had been shot, then the officer's life was in danger. If Temple had been shot, then the officer had already made the decision to use deadly force. In either case, it would appear that Stephens was in the clear (mainly because he did not fire first).

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        • #5
          Just to throw it out there; What if he had missed his target and hit the cop or a bystander?
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          • #6
            Originally posted by renderman
            Just to throw it out there; What if he had missed his target and hit the cop or a bystander?
            I imagine he would be culpable then. The right to use deadly force doesn't absolve him from using it responsibly. This is especially true since he was not originally involved (i.e., if someone directly involved shoots a bystander we would have to consider the circumstances).

            As always, I speak from a perspective of what makes sense as opposed to how the world works.

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            • #7
              When two people are fighting on the ground I doubt I would feel safe shooting four rounds of any caliber at the bad guy. I could miss, they could move, I could make a kill shot only to have the bullet ricochet...

              But then again I wasn't there. More power to the guy who was at the right place at the right time!

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