Windows Vista

[cjet]

Hi @ll

In our company we are testing new product of Microsoft which is Windows Vista.
What do you think about that System?
I know that it has some mistakes for example: programs which were on Microsoft IE6 do not work (but not all of them) on IE7.0.
Good is that IE 7 is not integrated with the system. I think it is really good idea.
New Vista looks nice but I think it is to sweet :).
What do you think about it?

[noid]

Why is this in the 'Room and Ride Sharing' forum? Pick a forum thats relavant to the topic, please.

[converge]

In our company we are testing new product of Microsoft which is Windows Vista.

What do you think about it?

.. you're the one testing it... yes? What exactly are you testing, besides looking at how pretty the UI is?

Good is that IE 7 is not integrated with the system. I think it is really good idea.

Why?

[ilusionofreedom]

???

to state the obvious, windows vista has not yet been released. the only people that CAN have any educated opinion on the subject are people that are in some way contributing to its production. that being said, what is the point of that thread?

[Fatal Grace]

Beta

Actually Windows Vista is now available… Open Beta.

http://www.microsoft.com/Windowsvista/

[tommEE]

Re: Windows Vista

I am on Windows Vista right now and some features are cool but some are bad.

Time to play point and counter-point

Display is better.... but it seems it leaches the OSX feel
Media Center built in... memory hog.
IE7 installed and does RSS... Yes it does feel and smell like Mozilla
It's free now... expires June 1st, 2007
It works... Anti Virus is limited, won't let you install free AVG
Detected the hardware on my laptop... except the modem
Comes with widescreen backgrounds... very limited.
Installs from DVD... leaves about 7 GB on hard drive.

Going to try installing windump and tools to see what they let run and not.

[skroo]

Re: Windows Vista

Going to try installing windump and tools to see what they let run and not.

I'd be interested to see how this pans out - I hear that the new privilege/process separation and isolation stuff breaks a lot of the usual tools. Then again, I haven't got my hands on a copy to test with yet, so have no idea how accurate and/or outdated these claims might be.

[converge]

Re: Windows Vista

It was torrented to get around bandwidth restrictions, then shut down because Microsoft didn't like it. Well.. the site hosting the torrent file was.. the torrent still lives. So you'll have to determine your own ethic about downloading that version of their 'Open Beta', or wait out a download from Microsoft. Much like the days of Whistler, early is probably a good time to start testing... know your enemy.

[tommEE]

Re: Windows Vista

I'd be interested to see how this pans out - I hear that the new privilege/process separation and isolation stuff breaks a lot of the usual tools. Then again, I haven't got my hands on a copy to test with yet, so have no idea how accurate and/or outdated these claims might be.

Pretty rotten so far. Since there is priv separation, you have to run programs as local administrator even if you have privileges set. WinPCAP installs but winpump fails to open interfaces. Netstumbler doesn't work on my broadcomm card. I am really curious about seeing how other tools react but I have a fever and I am sick as a dog. This laptop feels like it's 300 degrees.

ps- I just got it from the MS site yesterday. Both 64 and 32 bit versions are easy to get, you just have to give a little information for the MS Passport. They give you like up to 3 keys and each key can be used 10 times I believe.

A work of warning, the 32 bit is a 3.2GB download and the 64 bit is 4.1GB

[tommEE]

Re: Windows Vista

Update: I am also having an issue with Samba, seems like hashes are different.

[Deviant Ollam]

Re: Windows Vista

A work of warning, the 32 bit is a 3.2GB download and the 64 bit is 4.1GB

holy bloatware, batman. i suppose that i'm going to finally have to convert the rest of my house to 100% linux or BSD once win2k ends its lifecycle completely. i still have a few Win2K workstations and a server, but the direction in which MSFT is heading with their new O/S families is the absolute last place i want to be. (integrated DMR and trusted computing code, etc)

[converge]

Re: Windows Vista

It makes me wonder.. why the space? Is every icon and help menu easter-egged with music videos? Empty containers for future patching so that it doesn't appear that the OS takes twice the space once Microsoft makes it semi-operational down the line? They are pushing the concept of exporting apps as services cached and managed over broadband connectivity; this is something that would lend to delayed disk usage post-install. So.. why?

Has anyone noticed actual justification for the considerable resources Vista requires, or is it just further bloat to keep procs and memory filling, to keep consumers buying newer systems that they probably don't need?

[Gobniu]

Re: Windows Vista

holy bloatware, batman. i suppose that i'm going to finally have to convert the rest of my house to 100% linux or BSD once win2k ends its lifecycle completely.

I agree, however it might be worthwile to run one box with it just for "research."

P.S. - I love the old 60's era batman T.V. show.

[Voltage Spike]

Re: Windows Vista

Has anyone noticed actual justification for the considerable resources Vista requires, or is it just further bloat to keep procs and memory filling, to keep consumers buying newer systems that they probably don't need?

I would guess that it either comes with significantly more functionality than previous versions (probably not that much, though) or, more likely, they leave all of the debug information in the open beta. If the latter is the case, then the symbol information alone could result in a ten-fold increase in library size.