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  • blackwave
    Member
    • Jun 2002
    • 4270

    #16
    ... entering rant warp...
    Let's say the world were as simple as the bad, and the good. Perhaps then it would be simple to divide those and put all the bad behind bars, though we may have to dedicate over 3/4 of the planet to house a prison to house all convicted of being bad.

    As the future progresses (since the future is always the future), freedoms and liberties will be removed in the name of national security. Eventually we will have a National ID, it isn't that hard to believe since there are already a few areas that are testing various ideals on what a NID actually is and how it should be used and what it should be linked to.

    Already we see hundreds of cameras everywhere, of course the more technological the area, the more technology there is.

    How long will it be before we have microphones placed in public places (of course if it is not already happening)?

    This isn't about paranoia, of phearing 'the man'. it is about reality, and where we are headed.

    In the real world, we as a people are corrupt animals, we instinctively look out for numero uno, the self. Depending where you are in life, what you do may not seem to matter, but it does because everyday judgements are being made and applied to the real world. Everyone in the world shapes the world, society, etc, even by the slightest fraction or degree. There can never be a utopian existence for us.

    We will destroy ourselves first.

    ... leaving rant warp...

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    • astcell
      Human Rights Issuer
      • Oct 2001
      • 7512

      #17
      too easy and convenient

      We yell about privacy, but we use credit cards and ATM cards, we bank electronically, we use Ebay, PayPal, online registrations, we request e-mail from bots, we rent cards and hotels online, we send e-mail from our phone, we fill out product registration cards that ALL hapen to go to Denver or Boulder, Colorado,....

      and yet we want privacy?

      We're making it too easy for anyone to find us!

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      • blackwave
        Member
        • Jun 2002
        • 4270

        #18
        Re: too easy and convenient

        Originally posted by astcell
        and yet we want privacy?
        Perhaps our National ID will allow us to have multiple personalities for various tasks as not to associate any one personality with another by accident.

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        • astcell
          Human Rights Issuer
          • Oct 2001
          • 7512

          #19
          Well if the 9-11 hijackers can get driver's licenses and even extensions on their visas AFTER 9-11, then what's to say that the NID won't help them too?!

          When in Long Beach by car I used to enter a location where folks looked at me funny, wondering if I belonged there. Now they issue passes at the gate, so when I enter I now have a pass and no one looks at me any more, they trust the idiot handing out the passes for their ultimate security.

          People will ASSUME since you got a NID that you MUST be a good guy. Remember James Huberty who shot up McDonald's in San Ysidro, CA with a machine gun? It was a LEGALLY OWNED machine gun. So much for only good guys having papers.

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          • blackwave
            Member
            • Jun 2002
            • 4270

            #20
            Originally posted by astcell
            People will ASSUME since you got a NID that you MUST be a good guy.
            Yes, exactly my point.

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            • astcell
              Human Rights Issuer
              • Oct 2001
              • 7512

              #21
              I started out thinking that security was more important than privacy, but now I think privacy is more important. No, I KNOW it. I am sure that privacy i exchange for security can work, but it won't, the coffers are just too sweet with information to trust anyone. After all, they sell our medical records now. The almighty dollar has spoken, and privacy has lost!

              We all need 900 area code numbers, let the telemarketers call, I'll be happy to speak with them for $5 a minute!

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              • blackwave
                Member
                • Jun 2002
                • 4270

                #22
                Originally posted by astcell
                I started out thinking that security was more important than privacy, but now I think privacy is more important.
                Perhaps without mass security there can be no individual privacy, which defeats individual security.

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                • astcell
                  Human Rights Issuer
                  • Oct 2001
                  • 7512

                  #23
                  People are basically good. People are also basically greedy. I think we can blame all the LAWYERS for this one!

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                  • blackwave
                    Member
                    • Jun 2002
                    • 4270

                    #24
                    Originally posted by astcell
                    People are basically good. People are also basically greedy. I think we can blame all the LAWYERS for this one!
                    People are born neutral, and nurtured for greed.
                    The lawyers are pretty much the same, whoring to the highest bidder.

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                    • astcell
                      Human Rights Issuer
                      • Oct 2001
                      • 7512

                      #25
                      We all know right from wrong. Some people can be easily bought though, they have a cheap asking price.

                      My wife and I have been watchin Jerry Springer at 11pm, we gotta wonder where these folks come from!

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                      • simple3
                        gcounter style
                        • Jan 2002
                        • 249

                        #26
                        Re: too easy and convenient

                        Originally posted by astcell
                        we fill out product registration cards that ALL hapen to go to Denver or Boulder, Colorado,....

                        you mean people actually fill those out, I just use them as shims and firestarter.

                        I used to know this guy that got his name on every junk mail list he could. he took all that junkmail and used it to make those fake logs for your fireplace,

                        simple3

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                        • astcell
                          Human Rights Issuer
                          • Oct 2001
                          • 7512

                          #27
                          I saw a story like that on the news once! I save all the junk mail stuff, especially the ones that say "Phone number required" and then I fill them out with the info for people who piss me off. Justice is sweet!

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                          • blackwave
                            Member
                            • Jun 2002
                            • 4270

                            #28
                            Originally posted by astcell

                            My wife and I have been watchin Jerry Springer at 11pm, we gotta wonder where these folks come from!
                            Actually it has been proven that is what happens to your seamonkeys when you flush them down the toilet...

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                            • blackwave
                              Member
                              • Jun 2002
                              • 4270

                              #29
                              Originally posted by astcell
                              and then I fill them out with the info for people who piss me off. Justice is sweet!
                              Yes those tactics are often seen in a few revenge books, or how to screw people publications out there.

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                              • astcell
                                Human Rights Issuer
                                • Oct 2001
                                • 7512

                                #30
                                George Hayduke Rules! I hope they have more Loompanics books this year!

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