DEFCON is a trademark of Introversion Software Limited

[bigezy]

DEFCON has its own game now.

http://www.everybody-dies.com/

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[Nikita]

Re: DEFCON is a trademark of Introversion Software Limited

DEFCON has its own game now.

http://www.everybody-dies.com/

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This is not affiliated with DEFCON, nor anything to do with it, Just in case others can not determine that on their own.

[noid]

Re: DEFCON is a trademark of Introversion Software Limited

You mean we ARENT amassing an arsenal of nuclear weapons? Then what did DT have me load into Ira's barn?

[converge]

Re: DEFCON is a trademark of Introversion Software Limited

I doubt that 'trademark' would hold up in court .. and frankly .. their claim to IP is a little shakey considering the ENTIRE basis of their game is pretty much a ripoff from Wargames. How many multiplayer characters do you suspect contain WOPR somewhere within?

DEFCON is fine testament to an independent developer willing to take a risk by creating games that tackle unsual ideas in thought-provoking, engaging and ultimately entertaining ways.

Stark and foreboding, it feels like you’re at the centre of the Cold War even before a nuke has been fired.

Refreshingly simple yet bursting with depth, DEFCON is enjoyable as both a quick blast as well as subtle strategic epic.

Instantly engaging and almost unbearably tense...

You can easily get into the game, but you'll never master it: DEFCON is pure strategy, where you can easily fall from the top to the bottom of the apocalyptic world.

Defcon is the perfect example that you don't have to fill up a DVD with data, spend millions of dollars, or have hundreds of people developing if you want to create something, that can be summarized with one word: cult.

Ummmm.... they are talking about the video game, right??

[The Dark Tangent]

Re: DEFCON is a trademark of Introversion Software Limited

I am curious about this as well..

Defcon is also a registered trademark. We got it just before the con, and need to update some of the web pages to add the little (R) symbol. But there are many categories of registration, and they are in the UK.

[TheCotMan]

Re: DEFCON is a trademark of Introversion Software Limited

I doubt that 'trademark' would hold up in court .. and frankly .. their claim to IP is a little shakey considering the ENTIRE basis of their game is pretty much a ripoff from Wargames. How many multiplayer characters do you suspect contain WOPR somewhere within?

I think Trademarks have "Scope" to allow for the same "names" to be applied to completely different products.

Consider the case of Apple Records and Apple Computers. With this, there was supposed to be an agreement from Apple Computers to be allowed to use the name "Apple" just so long as they didn't tread into music. Issues of litigation came up when Apple introduced the Apple ][gs (graphics/sound) and have continued to come up as Apple has sought to add more music to their products/service offers.

In addition to this, I think there are "grandfather clauses" to allow pre-existing names to keep their names. I'm not sure if this is a real example, but if "Olympic Paints" existed before the "World Olympics" were re-introduced as the organization and competition we know today, then Olympic Paints can keep Olympic as part of their name.

So, I'd guess they probably have the TM in the realm of Video/Computer Games, and it probably includes their Logo with how it "looks" more than just the name.They probably don't have TM in the realm of Conferences, classes, meetings, "hacking," or drinking.

Also, don't forget about the Energy Drink "Defcon" -- I'm sure they have a Trademark too.

Ummmm.... they are talking about the video game, right??

Heh heh. Yeah, this topic came up before as part of a search for Defcon inthe News and also in another thread. (Just closed, since this thread is more current, and much more active.)

We received an e-mail months back from someone that asked about this game. Now that the game is out, I wonder how long it will be before people start signing up for these forums to ask questions or discuss the game. :-o

[Voltage Spike]

Re: DEFCON is a trademark of Introversion Software Limited

I think Trademarks have "Scope" to allow for the same "names" to be applied to completely different products.

They do have a scope, but that scope can sometimes be rather broad. I remember Yahoo Serious going after Yahoo! for violating his trademark in the area of "Entertainment", and even though he lost the case I got the impression that it was simply up to the courts.

In addition to this, I think there are "grandfather clauses" to allow pre-existing names to keep their names.

There may be laws in certain states, but I certainly don't believe they are common.

[Chris]

Re: DEFCON is a trademark of Introversion Software Limited

Now that the game is out, I wonder how long it will be before people start signing up for these forums to ask questions or discuss the game. :-o

Not sure when we'll get the first one....but I can pretty much gaurantee you the ban hammer will fall up said fucknut quite quickly.

[TheCotMan]

Re: DEFCON is a trademark of Introversion Software Limited

They do have a scope, but that scope can sometimes be rather broad. I remember Yahoo Serious going after Yahoo! for violating his trademark in the area of "Entertainment", and even though he lost the case I got the impression that it was simply up to the courts.

From what I've been able to tell, scope depends on the word(s) chosen for Trademark. "Defcon" was first used by the Military, as far as I know. This makes a wide scope of control of the name in other areas, unlikely to be easily defended in court. However, a "made up name" like Kodak, where ( I think ) research was conducted to find a name that wasn't used anywhere else at all before the company came into being, could probably gain very broad scope and control of how their name is used.

( Wikipedia support this for Kodak being a "made-up" name. It is not the most reliable of citations, but matches what I remember being discussed-- could be an example of repeated urban legend though.)

There may be laws in certain states, but I certainly don't believe they are common.

Perhaps Trademarks are Federal, as there are national registries. This would suggest state laws probably don't address this in the US because of the way that laws in the US work. However, other countries may have their own trademark registrations that are not national.

Not sure when we'll get the first one....but I can pretty much gaurantee you the ban hammer will fall up said fucknut quite quickly.

It has been a long time since we've had these problems, but speaking of Apple Records...

"Bang-Bang! Chris's ban-ban Hammer came down, upon their heads! Bang! Bang! Chris's ban-ban hammer made sure that they were banned."
(Parody paraphrased from The Beatles, "Maxwell's Silver Hammer," from The Abbey Road, and Apple Records..)

[Added:]
fodder: people considered as readily available and of little value: cannon fodder.
(Following sung to the tune of Maxwell's Silver Hammer)

Tard was illiterate, stupid as an idiot, joined forum as a goob.
Late night alone with 'bottle of lube:
Oh, oh-oh, oh, oh.

Chris is moder-atin', skilled with fodder-hatin',
Spots tard-post on forums,
"How do they manage to breathe and find the,
fo -oh-oh-oh-rums?"

But as Tard's gettin' ready to post,
They're tapped-out on the side....

Bang-Bang! Chris's ban-in' Hammer came down, upon their haaaands!
Bang-Bang! Chris's ban-in' hammer made sure that they were banned.

[jur1st]

Re: DEFCON is a trademark of Introversion Software Limited

There may be laws in certain states, but I certainly don't believe they are common.

TheCotMan for the win on this one. Copyright/trademark issues are federal ones and not state.

I for one welcome our new gamerz leaders, it will be a nice change of pace.

In all seriousness, don't delete any posts from confused individuals, simply move them to /dev/null to be cataloged.

As Drudge would put it...

Developing...

[TheCotMan]

Re: DEFCON is a trademark of Introversion Software Limited

In all seriousness, don't delete any posts from confused individuals, simply move them to /dev/null to be cataloged.

The only posts that I remember removing are those that expose the forums to legal risk, or that are spam, or as part of a thread duplication/forking where posts I've copied are then deleted, or that are my own posts which are stated to be deleted once their purpose it served*.

*- messages that include "This message will self destruct" is an example of these kinds of messages.

You'd have to ask other mods what they would do with such posts, but deletion of a post is very, very rare.

(Leaving mistakes up in view provides cautionary tales or entertainment for everyone else.)

[converge]

Re: DEFCON is a trademark of Introversion Software Limited

/me runs out to develop 'BlackHat' on his UK shell. ...well, I suppose they probably trademark that in each region the conference occurs. ..doh.

It has been general policy since my start as a mod to specifically NOT delete content. Content will be flamed, moved to public alter, or shifted outside of public viewing, but not deleted. Sometimes Chris will take a dump on a post for the hell of it, regardless of merit... he's just like that.

That said, I actually responded to this a lot more quickly but I think TheCotMan deleted my previous post so he could beat me too it. He umm, probably did a sql wizardry hump or something, ya.. thats it. :p I'll get you next time, Cot`Man!

[Chris]

Re: DEFCON is a trademark of Introversion Software Limited

It has been a long time since we've had these problems, but speaking of Apple Records...

"Bang-Bang! Chris's ban-ban Hammer came down, upon their heads! Bang! Bang! Chris's ban-ban hammer made sure that they were banned."
(Parody paraphrased from The Beatles, "Maxwell's Silver Hammer," from The Abbey Road, and Apple Records..)

[Added:]
fodder: people considered as readily available and of little value: cannon fodder.
(Following sung to the tune of Maxwell's Silver Hammer)

Ok...that made me laugh out loud.

[Voltage Spike]

Re: DEFCON is a trademark of Introversion Software Limited

TheCotMan for the win on this one. Copyright/trademark issues are federal ones and not state.

Who do you think you are? Some sort of lawyer?

Anyway, I thought trademark was an issue under both states and federal rights, and that states were free to draft their own laws as long as they didn't contradict those of the federal government.

In particular, I was thinking of some Louisiana law that made it illegal to label something "cajun" unless it originated in Louisiana, but I can't find the reference for it.

Anyway, I'll leave the law to the lawyers.

[Nikita]

Re: DEFCON is a trademark of Introversion Software Limited

In particular, I was thinking of some Louisiana law that made it illegal to label something "cajun" unless it originated in Louisiana, but I can't find the reference for it.

Beings I am from there i can see how arrogance created the demand for such a thing, however "cajun" is so many things, from type of seasoning to a persons heritage and such. Lots of Creoles are "Cajuns" etc etc.... I cant see how it is possible to trademark such a diverse word. Although it would be nice to buy cajun- x product and have it actually be cajun instead of just some bland wanna be waste of time. Not to go off on that little tangent...my bad.. I miss New Orleans..... Here is a link. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cajun