Riviera may be sold by years end

[Stypica]

Re: Riviera may be sold by years end

The facial recognition and privacy work is being done by James Alexander -also at UPenn -it's called the Masks project
www.cis.upenn.edu/~jalex/research.html

-mouse

woops! http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~jalex/research.shtml

;)

[mouseling]

Re: Riviera may be sold by years end

[QUOTE=Surreal;84495]I've no idea if it would foil facial recognition software, but if I was banned I might invest several bucks in a pair of these: http://www.sciplus.com/singleItem.cf...LogFrom=Search (gotta accept a cookie) and maybe strategically add/remove a beard... Maybe a Long John Silver-type eye patch.

For those interested in casino security, i'm currently doing some research on it as part of a larger project (legitimate, i promise!) and am thinking giving a presentation on it - just not while staying at a casino.

The facial recognition and privacy work is being done by James Alexander -also at UPenn -it's called the Masks project
www.cis.upenn.edu/~jalex/research.html

-mouse

[astcell]

Re: Riviera may be sold by years end

I guess getting banned won't count for much any more.

[Ne0nRa1n]

Re: Riviera may be sold by years end

The sale of the hotel would be an interesting monkey wrench. I am interested to see how everything ends up panning out.

[Rance]

Re: Riviera may be sold by years end

I've no idea if it would foil facial recognition software, but if I was banned I might invest several bucks in a pair of these: http://www.sciplus.com/singleItem.cf...LogFrom=Search (gotta accept a cookie) and maybe strategically add/remove a beard... Maybe a Long John Silver-type eye patch.

Oh, and don't act like a raving dick and thereby draw attention to yourself ;-)

Surreal

Well I don't know about those glasses I mean I already look like the stereotypical geek. I've got the whole check list from the glasses to the black wardrobe. Anyway back on topic toss a full body fat suit in there and a bald mans wig if your chicken and don't want to shave.
Edit: cool site I've never seen it before. Know where I'm doing my x-mas/birthday shopping, hello lab supplies.

[Surreal]

Re: Riviera may be sold by years end

The larger casinos Venetian, Bellagio use a software called "Griffen Gold" for security & facial recognition.
The software snaps photos, uses a formula based on measurements of the eyes nose and chin, and then compares
them to a local or internet database.

I've no idea if it would foil facial recognition software, but if I was banned I might invest several bucks in a pair of these: http://www.sciplus.com/singleItem.cf...LogFrom=Search (gotta accept a cookie) and maybe strategically add/remove a beard... Maybe a Long John Silver-type eye patch.

Oh, and don't act like a raving dick and thereby draw attention to yourself ;-)

Surreal

[DaKahuna]

Re: Riviera may be sold by years end

I always hold out hope until the end!

I can't afford refundable tickets so I'll wait a little longer to make sure the rumor about the cancellation is just that - a rumor!

[theprez98]

Re: Riviera may be sold by years end

What do you mean "if" did you not get the word?

I always hold out hope until the end!

[DaKahuna]

Re: Riviera may be sold by years end

Even if, as expected, it gets cancelled.

What do you mean "if" did you not get the word?

[theprez98]

Re: Riviera may be sold by years end

Because the military is the military, I'll never say never, but even the sale of a hotel won't keep my away from Defcon this year.

Even if, as expected, it gets cancelled.

[alklloyd]

Re: Riviera may be sold by years end

Cool, at least we have a home for one more year.

Al

[Dark Tangent]

Re: Riviera may be sold by years end

Well, looks like the deal won't go through according to the rumor mill.

[[Syntax]]

Re: Riviera may be sold by years end

The larger casinos Venetian, Bellagio use a software called "Griffen Gold" for security & facial recognition.
The software snaps photos, uses a formula based on measurements of the eyes nose and chin, and then compares
them to a local or internet database.

Griffin is actually a private investigation firm that casinos can hire, they were the investigation firm that was used
in catching the MIT Blackjack card counting team. From what I've seen and read, the casino has to actually suspect
a player before action is taken. The system is not automated.

I read Griffin has about 100 casinos as its customers, and Biometrica (SIN) has another 175+ casinos as its customers.
Stratosphere is reportedly using Biometrica.

But it does make me wonder on a property type ban, what do they use to enforce that? Systems like those
were speaking of are to protect casinos against fraud. A property ban on the other hand isn't necessarily something
shared between casinos, possibly locations owned by the same company but not likely a shared database like Biometrica or Griffin.

[TheCotMan]

Re: Riviera may be sold by years end

Wouldn't clearing marginal entries from a banlist allow for applying fewer resources (such as man-hours, technology, and other overhead) to search for and deal with people banned from their site?

With each person banned, the observation, identification and action system is encumbered. As the burden becomes too great, one of two things happens:
1) The quality of one or more of the three items (observation, identification or action) is decreased.
2) More resources are added to handle the new workload.

On the other hand, what legal risk might the hotel/casino have in unbanning peple?
If these once-banned people ever did something to harm another casino/hotel guest or employee, would this increase the chance the casino could lose a lawsuit?
The hotel/casino identified a problem, banned someone, then unbanned that person, who then came back and caused problems. Is unbanning that person a statement that the hotel/casino doesn't view the unbanned person as a threat? In making this decision, are they partially responsible for any problems caused by this person on their site after the unban?

More? When a single person is banned, is there consideration of revenue lost when this person doesn't return and family/friends traveling to Las Vegas don't visit the hotel/casino when traveling with the banned person?

This is more complicated than I originally thought it was.

[Thorn]

Re: Riviera may be sold by years end

That may be true, but I assume they care far more about people trying to cheat at the tables or steal from the clients that a few people who got a little too drunk or made a mess.

While I understand and agree, I have my doubts as to whether they differentiate. Otherwise they would be spending time making value judgments about past behavior on a case by case basis. The amount of money that would be gained from allowing re-entry under from such judgments would be minuscule and wouldn't offset the time and money needed to make the determination or to set up the review procedures in the first place.

It would be much easier from their standpoint to divide the potential customers into groups of "Banned" or "Not Banned" and once someone is in the "banned" group never to deal with them again.