Hacking Meeting at my house

[MagicJelly]

IF you are interested please let me know.

[noid]

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you serious?

[erehwon]

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you serious?

Yahoo Serious?

[AlxRogan]

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Will punch and pie be served?

[IrishMASMS]

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Will punch and pie be served?

Chips & Dip? Chains & whips?

[hackajar]

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Will punch and pie be served?

I hope no bad people come <Insert ruff guitar riff here>

[noid]

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Kick It!!!

[Floydr47]

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Having never attended a hacking meeting I am at a loss as to what is the proper attire. Will this be a casual meeting or will it be a black tie affair? One more thing, will I need any special equipment such as my "Little Orphan Annie Secret Decoder Ring"? Before Noid bans me...Honest, I did a seach of the forum and a Google, I couldn't find the answer to my questions anywhere.

[TheCotMan]

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If you invite a federal employee in Law Enforcement or a police officer into your home, even if you don't know they are a law enforcement officer and they don't identify themself as such, can any observations made by them be admitted into evidence in court, or at least be used to support acquiring a search warrant?

Whoops. I'm sorry about that. You don't need to answer that. I guess the above paragraph is not really on-topic here, but I'll leave my mistake here in this thread.

Have a great time at the meeting! ]:>

Oh yes. And to continue with what noid said:

"You have to fight, for your right, to..."

[erehwon]

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Having never attended a hacking meeting I am at a loss as to what is the proper attire. Will this be a casual meeting or will it be a black tie affair?

There might be additional attention to this hacker meeting if it was clothes optional, or maybe not...

[hackajar]

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There might be additional attention to this hacker meeting if it was clothes optional, or maybe not...

hack-her - hahahahaha

[Floydr47]

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If you invite a federal employee in Law Enforcement or a police officer into your home, even if you don't know they are a law enforcement officer and they don't identify themself as such, can any observations made by them be admitted into evidence in court, or at least be used to support acquiring a search warrant?

That is an interesting question, TCM. I asked a friend of mine with the local sheriff's office and he assured me that undercover agents in our area use this tactic frequently in drug related cases. What the officer observes, if it is in plain sight, is admissable in court, (as well as any conversations that take place), and also may be used to obtain search warrants. An officer of the law does not have to identify himself as such to a suspected criminal, even if asked if he is an officer of the law. Officers are allowed to engage in "roleplay" in order to make arrests (i.e., "sting operations" for prostitution, drug enforcement, and the ever popular "hire the hitman who is an undercover cop"). An undercover officer does not even have to appear in court to give testamony in some jurisdictions, he/she can give testamony by affidavit, in order to protect the integrity of an on-going investigation or to protect the identity of the undercover officer. Be careful who you invite into your home if you engage in illegal activities because once you invite someone in then you have effectively given up your "right to privacy".

An excellent example of this is the current trend of police officers posing as young girls/boys in on-line chatrooms in order to catch child predators. What the predator believes to privleged communication, e-mails, phone calls, etc. become evidence in the case even though the "young girl/boy" does not really exist. The intent to commit the crime does.

[Deviant Ollam]

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An officer of the law does not have to identify himself as such to a suspected criminal, even if asked if he is an officer of the law.

so is it purely a hollywood and TV myth whenever you see the suspect or prostitute say something like, "i'll ask you plainly... are you a cop? because you have to tell me if you are."

it was my understanding (and not just from the evidence of the tee vee box) that LEOs can (and routinely do) use all manner of deception, role play, and withholding of the truth when interacting with suspects -- and this is legal -- but pointed questions as to whether or not a given individual is law enforcement must be answered if criminal activity is being solicited (particularly this applies to drug deals and prostitution) otherwise evidence gained can be thrown out on an entrapment or coercion basis.

seems rather silly, i'll admit... if it's true it makes me wonder why every call girl in the country doesn't merely have an opening -- and admittedly un-romantic -- ritual wherein they state plainly (perhaps in lawyer-prepared language) "are you currently working for or directly on the behalf or any law enforcement or government agency or are you here in any police capacity whatsoever?"

i've never heard a hooker do that, though.

[theprez98]

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it was my understanding (and not just from the evidence of the tee vee box) that LEOs can (and routinely do) use all manner of deception, role play, and withholding of the truth when interacting with suspects -- and this is legal -- but pointed questions as to whether or not a given individual is law enforcement must be answered if criminal activity is being solicited (particularly this applies to drug deals and prostitution) otherwise evidence gained can be thrown out on an entrapment or coercion basis.

I'm sure Thorn will chime in and set us straight, but I believe the courts have generally given law enforcement wide latitude in these matters. If they *were* required to answer a pointed question truthfully, potential criminals would ask pointed questions.

Doing a little perusing I found cases where police were permitted to lie about evidence to have a suspect incriminate themselves (i.e., "we have your DNA at the scene of the crime").

The general legal consensus seems to be: the police can say what they want, the key is that you have a right *not* to answer questions; and you have a right to have a lawyer present.

[Tacitus]

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The general legal consensus seems to be: the police can say what they want, the key is that you have a right *not* to answer questions; and you have a right to have a lawyer present.

Along with that, the basis would seem to be, do you have the right to know that you are being questioned/searched/giving up search and seizure protections to a LEO vs non-LEO? This might touch on Miranda rights and when a LEO is considered to be "questioning" a subject