Wow. I didn't know Las Vegas had a curfew...

[Deviant Ollam]

Re: Wow. I didn't know Las Vegas had a curfew...

The problem with the strip, is the pandering by under age kids.

you'd mentioned this once before, but i am unclear slightly. do you mean pan-handling as in begging for change? i don't understand where pandering would enter into it, as casinos aren't likely to pander to a crowd who can't spend their money there.

If kids cannot control themselfs, then it's my local gov's job to protect the states interest, that interest being the people.

and i'm all for the local gov, through the LVPD primarily, choosing to tell loiterers to move along, to detain and/or write up pan-handlers (or even people busking if that's illegal, too, laws vary a lot) and so forth. but i am not tolerant of hassling people who haven't committed a crime and aren't directly harming others.

[hackajar]

Re: Wow. I didn't know Las Vegas had a curfew...

pander - Pandering is established when the evidence shows that the accused succeeded in inducing a victim to become an inmate of a house of prostitution. One who solicits for a prostitute is a panderer.

And of course loitering causes lots of problems too.

/Sorry if this turned into a crazed debate, Deviant, living here has changed my perspective on this subject (and probably just getting older I guess).

[[Syntax]]

Re: Wow. I didn't know Las Vegas had a curfew...

I knew there was a curfew in effect, but as far as I know it is only in effect on the strip itself. According to the section you posted it says all avenues alleys ect..

According to articles I read it seems that this was put into effect to try and cut gang activity. Possibly its not enforced but instead used as a reason for stopping suspicious minors. If you just randomly stop someone and start giving them a hard time, your gonna get opposition from the parents. However if you stop someone for whatever reason, and have this law to fall back on, your no longer having to explain why you stopped them in the first place.

It could just be an escape for them.

I found this though while searching.. its like common sense stuff..
What to do if stopped by police in North Las Vegas
"Why are the Police at my home?"



We have a curfew here in San Antonio, with similar hours, however ours also includes 9:30 to 2:30 durring the day on school days, and holds the parents liable for allowing minors to violate the curfew.

[Deviant Ollam]

Re: Wow. I didn't know Las Vegas had a curfew...

comply with procedures for a search. you may be subjected to a pat-down search if the officer has reasonable suspicion that you may be carrying a weapon or illegal substance

anyone else want to talk with me about current interpretations of the 4th amdenment? my understanding is that quick detentions and accompanying pat-downs (Terry Stops) are permissible only in the context of the officer's (or society's) immediate safety, i.e. if there is reasonable suspicion that a suspect has a weapon or is planning to cause imminent harm to someone (say, they're casing a joint for a robbery)

quick pat-downs for drugs or other illegal substances are not allowed. in fact, although i can't cite the exact case law off the top of my head, i think there has been at least one matter which escalated all the way to the Supreme Court in which an officer was conducting a weapons pat-down, felt something that could have potentially been drugs or drug paraphernalia in a pocket, then continued to poke, prod, and feel it for a while. eventually the officer determined it was very likely something drug-related, at which point he reached in, sized it, and eventually arrested the suspect. the Court held that this was illegal, since the drugs weren't in "plain touch" and had to be poked and prodded a good deal, and that the scope of the initial Terry pat-down was (and always is, i think the court said) to look for weapons only.

the Court held that the moment that the officer made the determination that it wasn't a weapon he was feeling was the moment that the pat-down should have proceeded to other parts of the suspect's person.

as i say, i am no lawyer and i could be wrong... but i thought quick Terry pat-downs were exclusively weapons searches. the pamphlet, i feel, may have things a touch wrong.

[theprez98]

Re: Wow. I didn't know Las Vegas had a curfew...

anyone else want to talk with me about current interpretations of the 4th amdenment?

Time to break out the books...I'll try to put something together and post it later today.

[Thorn]

Re: Wow. I didn't know Las Vegas had a curfew...

Last training I had on Terry -admittedly it's been a while- the reason for the pat down was weapons only.* However, if in the course of the pat down you encountered something that might be contraband based on training, experience, and the totality of the circumstances, and contemporaneous events,** then you were allowed to investigate further. e.g. Checking to see if that wadded up mass in the pocket is a handkerchief or drugs in a baggie. The further investigation for contraband is usually allowed under United States v. Sokolow.

*Under Terry the "sole justification" for a stop and frisk is the "protection of the police officer and others nearby" according to the US Supreme Court.

**The Supreme Court has decided in Brown v. Texas and several other cases said that LEOs may be "able to perceive and articulate meaning in given conduct which would be wholly innocent to the untrained observer." Usually the factors are the training, experience, and the time and circumstances of the encounter.

[Nobody]

Re: Wow. I didn't know Las Vegas had a curfew...

..my understanding is that quick detentions and accompanying pat-downs (Terry Stops) are permissible only in the context of the officer's (or society's) immediate safety...

Hey, Dev. You've seen how I dress, what and how I drive and with whom I hang out. Oh, and I used to work at the County Jail there in Vegas. So, in my experience most folks on foot get the Terry and most cops wear body armor.

As a Vegas native and ex-local, I've been pulled over a LOT. And before I get into my list of personal stories about unpleasant interactions with law enforcement...

Vegas is full of weirdos and criminals. I'm sorry I can't make it back home this year. :/