Call For DJs bands and ideas

[TheCotMan]

Re: And just were is the B&W ball to be held?

in reality, any of the ballrooms would work out fine. but the rooms on the ground floor that have the power hooks that we need are Pavillion 5 or 6 and Grande ballroom A or E. we can also consider sharing the room as we did in the past with a daytime talks room. just as long as we get 4 hours to set up bands for Saturday night (if we have an 8pm open, the talks end at 4pm). Friday is easy,30 to 45 minutes tops to get ready. we will just need time for the banquet staff to pull chairs and set some tables.

as always, you know myself and Zziks are always up for a good challenge.

Here is a post, and begin of thread from a little over 2 months ago which included discussion of floor plan use. DT included 3 maps showing potential floor use for each of the 3 days, which may be useful. (New spaces are open on the ground floor for Defcon which were not open to us last year.)

Hope this helps.

[bink]

Re: And just were is the B&W ball to be held?

Here is a post, and begin of thread from a little over 2 months ago which included discussion of floor plan use. DT included 3 maps showing potential floor use for each of the 3 days, which may be useful. (New spaces are open on the ground floor for Defcon which were not open to us last year.)

Hope this helps.

so looking at the proposed room layout, i'm feeling the chillout/contest area. here are some benefits to using this area
1. power we need for B&W is located in the Northeast corner of the room
2. there are rig points so we can fly our lighting rig in the air ( no trip hazards)
3. we can invite other DJs to spin chill out at a background volume during the day.
4. right next to the smoking area (for those of you who have not been informed, Las Vegas passed the no smoking law for all public areas, minus casino floors and bars with no food.)
5. we won't have to clear or shut down the room for set-up. not like we're gonna interfere with any of the talks, so our set up schedule will be pretty relaxed. we'll enjoy that.
6. daytime use of the stage to announce contests, speaker changes, special events, etc...

thats what i think. like i said before, we're up for anything, but i think this space would be prime for us.

[TheCotMan]

Re: And just were is the B&W ball to be held?

so looking at the proposed room layout, i'm feeling the chillout/contest area. here are some benefits to using this area
1. power we need for B&W is located in the Northeast corner of the room
2. there are rig points so we can fly our lighting rig in the air ( no trip hazards)
3. we can invite other DJs to spin chill out at a background volume during the day.
4. right next to the smoking area (for those of you who have not been informed, Las Vegas passed the no smoking law for all public areas, minus casino floors and bars with no food.)
5. we won't have to clear or shut down the room for set-up. not like we're gonna interfere with any of the talks, so our set up schedule will be pretty relaxed. we'll enjoy that.
6. daytime use of the stage to announce contests, speaker changes, special events, etc...

thats what i think. like i said before, we're up for anything, but i think this space would be prime for us.

There are some things that would need to be worked out with this:
aCTF has used this space 2 years in a row, and spent a *lot* of time running cables tables, and taping the cat5* to the carpet to avoid people tripping over the network. The setups were both long and tedious, and were not things that could quickly, or easily be picked up and re-laid-out every morning.
aCTF was playing music in the contest space last year. It would be good to have everyone on the same page for music generation so there are not multiple sources in the same room, and to ensure saving people the transport space of the heavy equipment needed to have the amplified music if they know they won't need to bring their own equipment.

The Defcon Robots contest had a rig which stayed up between contest days, and moving the rig from last year each night could have lead some to complain if they sensed any functional difference between the runs on different days. Their rig will be different this year. I don't know if it will lend itself to tear-down and reset, or move.

LPCon has many locks, which can be heavy and bulky, requiring much effort to tear down and setup each night. (This may have been done last year, and maybe they will do this next year and store the locks in the LP Village overnight-- I've not heard what they will be doing with their items.)

Most other contest can be fairly easily moved as complete tables, based on what I saw last year. (Pick up the table with their stuff on it and move it to a new location, and the contest has been moved.)

I heard Russ is still in charge of the contest area, so you might want to run this idea by him and see if he sees other problems, or logistical issues that could make this location difficult to use, based on the planning for this area that he has in the works.
(It is much easier to have solutions to foreseeable problems before they are encountered than when they are encountered.)

Good luck! :-)

[Abby_Normal]

Re: And just were is the B&W ball to be held?

This is a good question!

We don't have Top of the Rive this year, so we need a new home for the B&W ball.

I'm thinking maybe put it where there is good flow, where we can be loud and not disturb anyone. That way it can go later, keep more people near the sky box parties and the out door area (Which we will keep open late)

Are there going to be sky box parties this year, some people were giving me the impression that that was unlikely this year.

[hackajar]

Re: Call For DJs bands and ideas

What happen to Top of the Riv?

[Catharsis]

Re: Call For DJs bands and ideas

I'll be in Vegas for DC this year and would be glad to throw down some hard hitting industrial-techno (hard techno, powernoise, industrial) once again..

I'd also be glad to collaborate on a surround sound audio system w/ whoever would like to set one up.. I've started an audio hardware company working on a box to facilitate this kind of thing.. This kind of thing will work great for chill area, but be a little out of budget (for additional speakers) for B&W.

A picture of a recent temporary installation w/ a view of our prototype box in some picts I did out here in SF:
http://www.egrsoftware.com/about/space/supperclub/

[MitchMitchem]

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Wow. I need to check here more often.

One thing about recording/broadcasting sets is this: Some artists have done remixes/bootlegs/exclusive songs that are not to be played in an environment that is recorded.

If a big room on the ground floor is taken over, you could actually have DJs playing all day/night. Having projectors with visuals would be pretty rad as well.

[hackajar]

Re: Call For DJs bands and ideas

One thing about recording/broadcasting sets is this: Some artists have done remixes/bootlegs/exclusive songs that are not to be played in an environment that is recorded.

I would rather give up these "exclusive" songs in turn for the ability to record. IMHO people care more about personal freedom to record over DJ's freedom to play songs they don't want recorded.

[Deviant Ollam]

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Some artists have done remixes/bootlegs/exclusive songs that are not to be played in an environment that is recorded.

i agree with hackajar 100%... or maybe my position is even more extreme, since i can't imagine that one should reasonably expect DefCon to be an environment that is super-sensitive to anyone's personal expectations of intellectual property or copyright.

i know that i don't give a damn about those matters when i'm at a public venue listening to a speech or a performance, many of which i record. if folks don't want something that they've created to be disseminated and spread they can simply keep it in a vault in their basement. once it's out, it's out... hardly worth whining at that point.

[TheCotMan]

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Wow. I need to check here more often.

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[Dark Tangent]

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i agree with hackajar 100%... or maybe my position is even more extreme, since i can't imagine that one should reasonably expect DefCon to be an environment that is super-sensitive to anyone's personal expectations of intellectual property or copyright.

i know that i don't give a damn about those matters when i'm at a public venue listening to a speech or a performance, many of which i record. if folks don't want something that they've created to be disseminated and spread they can simply keep it in a vault in their basement. once it's out, it's out... hardly worth whining at that point.

W0rd. What he said.

[Dark Tangent]

Re: Call For DJs bands and ideas

I like Bink's idea. I was secretly hoping you guys would come up with it on your own. I think the higher ceilings would be nice, and I love the idea of DJs going all day / night.

[TheCotMan]

Re: Call For DJs bands and ideas

I like Bink's idea. I was secretly hoping you guys would come up with it on your own. I think the higher ceilings would be nice, and I love the idea of DJs going all day / night.

Then maybe the contests that are difficult to move can be placed along a shared wall, to allow the other, more easily moved contest to be, um, more easily moved to make more space as needed.

[shagghie]

Re: Call For DJs bands and ideas

I like Bink's idea. I was secretly hoping you guys would come up with it on your own. I think the higher ceilings would be nice, and I love the idea of DJs going all day / night.

In the spirit of DT's last post... anyone up for an Acid band playing during daytime or B&W breakout lounge area, etc.? This is Shagghie (winner of last year's badge hacking contest, for those that don't know me). I've got a small gig here in San Diego that does live Acid jamming performances that can go for hours on end. Serious hard core gear, too. We' d just need a PA, preferably something with a sub...our synths go sub audio in search of brown notes not as yet discovered. Would be cool, too, to let other peeps 'jack in' to the midi clock with their own 303's, etc...or just some of our gear if they have the inclination/skillz? We can do 90 bpm dub style acid, or we can do 127- 140 bpm hardstyle... or whatever's in between. And it gets pretty far out there, so have to be careful with the scene bunnys so they don't fall down, etc. Ideas, thoughts? I'm here to help!

[Dark Tangent]

Re: Call For DJs bands and ideas

Then maybe the contests that are difficult to move can be placed along a shared wall, to allow the other, more easily moved contest to be, um, more easily moved to make more space as needed.

Don't forget, we also have a dedicated room or two along the hallway that is not being used.