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    cigarette lighters... TSA gets their head out of their ass

    U.S. Will Allow Most Types of Lighters on Planes
    WASHINGTON, July 19 — Federal aviation authorities have decided to stop enforcing a two-year-old rule against taking cigarette lighters on airplanes, concluding that it was a waste of time to search for them before passengers boarded. ... “Taking lighters away is security theater,” Mr. Hawley [assistant secretary for the TSA] said. “It trivializes the security process.”

    Security officers have been collecting some 22,000 lighters a day nationwide, slowing down lines at check points. ... Disposing of the seized lighters has cost about $4 million a year.

    By lifting the ban, Mr. Hawley said, security officers could spend more time looking for bombs or bomb parts. ... Senator Ron Wyden, Democrat of Oregon, who in 2004 helped lead the effort to ban lighters, has not objected to the change, a spokeswoman said. (emphases mine)
    this practically knocked me off my feet...
    1. reduction in red tape and needless bureaucratic nonsense
    2. an official who actually recognizes and publicly identifies something as "security theater"
    3. loads of the our money being saved
    4. recognition that limited resources should focus on actual threats
    5. a public official stating that they had seen new data and changed their mind from a previous position.
    Who are these people and where have they hidden my government? (And for how long will they keep it bound and gagged in a hole in the desert somewhere before some lobbyist notices something is wrong?)

    One last note - this policy change is set to go into effect on August 4th... so that means i can have my Bottle-Opener-Lighters as giveaway prizes at DefCon this year. All participants in both the BCCC event as well as the Exotic Meat games will get at least one.
    "I'll admit I had an OiNK account and frequented it quite often… What made OiNK a great place was that it was like the world's greatest record store… iTunes kind of feels like Sam Goody to me. I don't feel cool when I go there. I'm tired of seeing John Mayer's face pop up. I feel like I'm being hustled when I visit there, and I don't think their product is that great. DRM, low bit rate, etc... OiNK it existed because it filled a void of what people want."
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    Re: cigarette lighters... TSA gets their head out of their ass

    I'm still waiting for the idiotic liquids ban to be lifted. That's probably the most asinine restriction out there today.

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      Re: cigarette lighters... TSA gets their head out of their ass

      regarding the liquids ban... if anyone hasn't seen the very well-written and well-researched Register piece which debunked that whole plot, it's a rather good read.
      "I'll admit I had an OiNK account and frequented it quite often… What made OiNK a great place was that it was like the world's greatest record store… iTunes kind of feels like Sam Goody to me. I don't feel cool when I go there. I'm tired of seeing John Mayer's face pop up. I feel like I'm being hustled when I visit there, and I don't think their product is that great. DRM, low bit rate, etc... OiNK it existed because it filled a void of what people want."
      - Trent Reznor

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        Re: cigarette lighters... TSA gets their head out of their ass

        Originally posted by Deviant Ollam View Post

        One last note - this policy change is set to go into effect on August 4th... so that means i can have my Bottle-Opener-Lighters as giveaway prizes at DefCon this year.
        Doesn't DEF CON start on the 3rd?
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          Re: cigarette lighters... TSA gets their head out of their ass

          Originally posted by theprez98 View Post
          Doesn't DEF CON start on the 3rd?
          yes, and i'm getting out there on the 1st... but i was referring to the fact that people will be able to bring these items home... thus making them better prizes than anything that would have to be stuck in an envelope or stolen by The Man at the airport.
          "I'll admit I had an OiNK account and frequented it quite often… What made OiNK a great place was that it was like the world's greatest record store… iTunes kind of feels like Sam Goody to me. I don't feel cool when I go there. I'm tired of seeing John Mayer's face pop up. I feel like I'm being hustled when I visit there, and I don't think their product is that great. DRM, low bit rate, etc... OiNK it existed because it filled a void of what people want."
          - Trent Reznor

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            Re: cigarette lighters... TSA gets their head out of their ass

            Originally posted by Deviant Ollam View Post
            yes, and i'm getting out there on the 1st... but i was referring to the fact that people will be able to bring these items home... thus making them better prizes than anything that would have to be stuck in an envelope or stolen by The Man at the airport.
            Gotcha...just making sure.
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              Re: cigarette lighters... TSA gets their head out of their ass

              Originally posted by Deviant Ollam View Post
              regarding the liquids ban... if anyone hasn't seen the very well-written and well-researched Register piece which debunked that whole plot, it's a rather good read.
              yeah..

              and according to the tsa site, as long as you don't have greater then 3 ounces of KY jelly with your carry-on you're all good

              http://www.tsa.gov/travelers/airtrav...-items.shtm#10

              I still need to smuggle my homebrew tho'
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                Re: cigarette lighters... TSA gets their head out of their ass

                Having just flown in, I can attest to how idiotic security is. Going through Moscow gets you searched and patted down while they go through your luggage. Liquids are fine, so are lighters. Once you hit JFK it is a different story.

                One guy had alcohol in him, sealed, He had to toss it. Pat the TSA line there was an alcohol sales point. So he replaced the bottle an carried it on the plane. Maybe those bottles were x-rayed but hey check out the little shops in the airport and tell me someone with a wicked mind could not come up with something out of all the stuff.

                This is just another attempt to stop crime by getting rid of weapons, as if the desire to commit crime will go away too.

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                  Re: cigarette lighters... TSA gets their head out of their ass

                  I saw a story about this on the local news last night. What was the most amusing was the 'man on the street' comments from SEATAC. Almost all of them were lambasting the TSA for doing this. Most of the comments were along the lines of 'now I feel less safe'. One guy even said 'great, now the guy next to me can light his seat on fire'.

                  Do these mouth breathers realize that up until Sept. 11th, not only could you have a bottle of 151 in your bag along with a cigarette lighter, but also a pocket knife under 3"? I flew with my knife all the time. Know how many people I stabbed? Same number of people I've shot with all my evil gun show assault rifles.

                  Fuck Big Brother. I'm more worried about Big Mommy, because these folks are asking for it.

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                  • #10
                    Re: cigarette lighters... TSA gets their head out of their ass

                    So I can now bring a cigarette lighter with me, but have still have to go through hell during the screening process for other dumb rules.

                    Just a side question, but has anyone had to have a pat-down inspection or a private screening and if so how long did it take? and what do they do? (I've read TSA's info on this but I would rather here it from someone else other than them)
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                    • #11
                      Re: cigarette lighters... TSA gets their head out of their ass

                      Originally posted by lil_freak View Post
                      So I can now bring a cigarette lighter with me, but have still have to go through hell during the screening process for other dumb rules.

                      Just a side question, but has anyone had to have a pat-down inspection or a private screening and if so how long did it take? and what do they do? (I've read TSA's info on this but I would rather here it from someone else other than them)
                      I have had a pat down a few times. The longest it has taken, including waiting for them to come over to the pat down area, is about 5 minutes.
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                      • #12
                        Re: cigarette lighters... TSA gets their head out of their ass

                        Originally posted by lil_freak View Post
                        So I can now bring a cigarette lighter with me, but have still have to go through hell during the screening process for other dumb rules.

                        Just a side question, but has anyone had to have a pat-down inspection or a private screening and if so how long did it take? and what do they do? (I've read TSA's info on this but I would rather here it from someone else other than them)
                        I had one at the airport in SLC, and let them do it in public. Had to drop my pants a bit and take off my belt. It took a few minutes. It took them more time to look over the items I put up for scanning than it did for them to search me.

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                          Re: cigarette lighters... TSA gets their head out of their ass

                          But... but... LIGHTERS ARE BOMBS!!!!! </facetious>
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                          • #14
                            Re: cigarette lighters... TSA gets their head out of their ass

                            So are airplanes.

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                              Re: cigarette lighters... TSA gets their head out of their ass

                              Maybe they will ban Chapstick next...
                              ... because it is a lip *balm*

                              /me ducks.

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