Personal Digital Signatures

[xor]

Re: Personal Digital Signatures

option b:
you see a group of choppers circle in on you digital signature. you cant hide, because theres a gps in your wrist. you are captured and sentenced to life in prison.
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You left out black when describing the choppers and the cow mutilations. :)

xor

[Deviant Ollam]

Re: Personal Digital Signatures

Again playing devils advocate here.

there's a fine line between being a devil's advocate and being a guy standing in a crowd throwing water balloons around for no discernible purpose. a lot of your comments, while ostensibly geared towards simply stimulating the conversation, aren't based in anything factual and are just (not to be rude) you sort of pulling stuff out of your ass. don't get me wrong, stimulating conversations is good to do... but sometimes more than vague platitudes and pseudo-factual assertions are needed.

the government already has [the ability to get 100% into your life]. If they focus even one eye ball on you than they have all the info and more.

while i would dispute your overall assertion (i don't feel they have "100%" ability, nor would even RFID chips give them that) it is key to focus on your follow-up. "If they focus on you" is the important point to consider. Even a bullshit local D.A.'s office can totally rip your life apart and find out almost everything prosecutable that you've ever done. Why don't people go down for things like insurance fraud, theft, and other minor felonies 100% of the time? Because these offices don't have the resources to put people on it 100% of the time.

Technology like RFID, and any other tools that people tout as a way to extend law enforcement's ability to detect, solve, and prosecute crimes are a threat to civil liberties because they lower the bar for the state. Personally, i'm comforted that my local police department doesn't have a runaway budget and that my local prosecutor's office doesn't pay their people six-figures. The fact that they have limited resources means they are forced to pick and choose the matters with which they concern themselves. If they had technology tracking everyone, then every little wrongdoing (in theory) could become a cause for prosecution.

They can track credit, cell phones, cash, EZPass ...etc. We are all just mere tenants of the government ... If they want to know they will.

Well, i don't know what "cash" is really doing in that list because amounts less than $10,000 are typically untraceable in any meaningful sense. Other than that, you are listing all things that are optional and therefore specifically avoided by privacy-conscious folks.

The only way you can avoid them is to totally drop of of society, live in a cave, have stone age technology, and eat bugs.

A bit of an extreme statement. There are plenty of ways to become far more privacy-conscious without becoming Ted Kaczynski. Check some old archives of DefCon talks to see the multitude of tactics.

[xor]

Re: Personal Digital Signatures

A bit of an extreme statement. There are plenty of ways to become far more privacy-conscious without becoming Ted Kaczynski. Check some old archives of DefCon talks to see the multitude of tactics.

I was actually responding to the other poster, but your as well as anyones comments are always illuminating and welcome.

I'm sure there are I will check out the archives, sincerely thanks. But just one point, Ted Kaczynski was caught, turned in by a family member. Law enforcement was just after him. I was more referring to the full force of of the US Government, Military and combined allies. Which is what the other poster was referring to.

xor

[Thorn]

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They can track credit, cell phones, cash, EZPass ...etc. We are all just mere tenants of the government, stop paying taxes and find out just how quickly that home you think you own isn't yours anymore.

Well, i don't know what "cash" is really doing in that list because amounts less than $10,000 are typically untraceable in any meaningful sense. Other than that, you are listing all things that are optional and therefore specifically avoided by privacy-conscious folks..

As someone who used to occasionally track people by those means , I can tell you it isn't quite as easy as Enemy of the State or countless TV shows might have you believe. That kind of focus is a myth. Police access to such data as credit card, POTS or cell phone records is not real time, or even near real time. In many cases, datum is close to 24 hours old (or more) before it is available. Yes, the time gap is narrowing, but don't believe everything you see.

As Deviant pointed out, it take an enormous amount of human resources to accomplish this type of thing. Police chiefs, DAs and other LE types are as budget conscious as a Depression-era mother with 12 kids to feed; maybe more so. They do not undertake such investigations lightly, and when they do, they bitch and moan about the costs to anyone in earshot. (As long as there aren't any reporters around.)



You wouldn't have to live in a cave to avoid such tracking, but you would have to have a good idea of what to avoid, go about it in a very precise manner and have your wits about you. Some things such as communications could be even easier that it used to be. But then again, your average criminal is a mouth breather with a room temperature IQ. Most people who commit crimes make some fundamental mistakes which leads to their downfall. It follows then that most people who commit crimes -and are going to be the focus of an investigation- are not likely to think hard about evading detection, although they may try hard to avoid arrest. Those are two vastly different things.

[Deviant Ollam]

Re: Personal Digital Signatures

don't believe everything you see.

you mean shows like CSI aren't an accurate depiction of how the work of forensics is conducted?

[Thorn]

Re: Personal Digital Signatures

you mean shows like CSI aren't an accurate depiction of how the work of forensics is conducted?

Hahahahaha. "Lots of flash and no meaning" sums it up very well.

[sharxbyte]

Re: Personal Digital Signatures

You left out black when describing the choppers and the cow mutilations. :)

xor

thank God that they cant self distruct you at the touch of a button

[MiL]

Re: Personal Digital Signatures

Does anyone really want 1984 to happen? I know with current technologies what can be done is limited, but one can never be too paranoid.