riv concierge?

[mfreeck]

I will be leaving especially late on Monday and would like to know if a) the riv has a concierge I can leave my bags with and b) if they are trustworthy to do so (won't lose them or go through them). Also, any social advice on how best to deal with the situation, as I don't normally deal with fancy french word services. ;)

[shrdlu]

I will be leaving especially late on Monday and would like to know if a) the riv has a concierge I can leave my bags with and b) if they are trustworthy to do so (won't lose them or go through them). Also, any social advice on how best to deal with the situation, as I don't normally deal with fancy french word services. ;)

The Riviera is a reputable hotel, and I can't see that your bags are going to tempt someone to risk jail, or worse, by going through them. Unlike the airlines, hotels do not usually lose bags, although it still happens, of course. Unlike the airlines, you also have a nearly 100% chance of them being found. One suggests tipping upon leaving them with the bell captain (not usually the concierge, btw), and tipping again when picking them up. If you look suitably poverty stricken, $5 is probably okay each time, but an older and more prosperous person might tip more, depending on the number of bags and their contents. I recommend that you don't leave your laptop, if it's easy to cart around, just because it will cause you to worry about it.

I admit that I would NEVER have left my bags at the Alexis Park, but I should also add that I require more creature comforts than were available there (such as not having to be too close the the, ah, action, as it were). I never stayed there, even though it made running a contest somewhat inconvenient.

[astcell]

At the Alexis Park I checked out and they gave me someone else's bag! I did not catch it until I got to the airport.

[shrdlu]

At the Alexis Park I checked out and they gave me someone else's bag! I did not catch it until I got to the airport.

Really, that wouldn't surprise me at all. As I said, I always chose not to stay there.

[mfreeck]

One suggests tipping upon leaving them with the bell captain (not usually the concierge, btw), and tipping again when picking them up. If you look suitably poverty stricken, $5 is probably okay each time, but an older and more prosperous person might tip more, depending on the number of bags and their contents.

Excellent knowledge. How do I find the person, what phrase do I use and how do I find them again?


I admit that I would NEVER have left my bags at the Alexis Park, but I should also add that I require more creature comforts than were available there (such as not having to be too close the the, ah, action, as it were). I never stayed there, even though it made running a contest somewhat inconvenient.

Oh hell ya. I never would stay there, but I was once foolish enough to ship my wearable computer from them. It was teh suck. I ended up hiding in a closet at work, frantically on the phone with them. It ended up that *fedex* called ME and got it all straightened out pronto. I was pretty sold on fedex after that and some other positive interactions.

[big chopper]

Excellent knowledge. How do I find the person, what phrase do I use and how do I find them again?


When you check out, ask them (the desk agent) if you can leave bags with them. An acceptable tip is a dollar a bag when you drop them off and another dollar a bag when you pick them up again. If you have questions about where to pick-up your bags, just ask.
--bc,

[mfreeck]

When you check out, ask them (the desk agent) if you can leave bags with them. An acceptable tip is a dollar a bag when you drop them off and another dollar a bag when you pick them up again. If you have questions about where to pick-up your bags, just ask.
--bc,

Yay, thank you! Practical advice for the socially inept. :)

[Ne0nRa1n]

At the Alexis Park I checked out and they gave me someone else's bag! I did not catch it until I got to the airport.

Are you serious? I had no idea they were so bad with luggage!

The last year the con was at AP and I stayed there had to be the worst. I swear there were more insects INSIDE my hotel room then there was OUTSIDE.

I still get the shivers remembering it.

[Contrarian]

I do this often when I'm in vegas. In Jan I checked out of the Wynn about noon, left my bags with the bell desk, and picked them back up 5am the next day for a 6am flight.

I've done this at the trop, sahara, mandalay bay, wyn, & the alexis without incident.

Lock your bags, and give a tip. $5 is fair IMHO if it's a regular bag and a briefcase/laptop case. The rule of thumb is $2 a bag as of several years ago. Honestly, I doubt tipping more will get you any more service or security.

If you're really worried about the laptop you can ask the main desk to put it in the safe and see what they say. Tip them if they do.

As a general rule of thumb, tip everyone.

[[Syntax]]

I check luggage all the time, but never check a laptop unless I really have to. For laptops you can go to the Managers Desk or the check in desk and they will have the manager or security at the safe check your bag. They copy your drivers license which is then attached to the bag, and then license is needed to retrieve the bag later.

In fact some bell desks are told to refuse electronics and forward the people to the manager or desk. Even the bell desk people will tell you straight out, checking a laptop isnt the greatest idea.

[Deviant Ollam]

;88294']Managers Desk or the check in desk and they will have the manager or security at the safe check your bag.they'll do this with electronics but they get in a twist if you ask them about firearms i found out. i was told by the staff that there is essentially no safe way to keep your guns with you at the Riv. all they offer is the in-room safe which, aside from being a piece of crap, is way too small to hold any serious-sized piece of steel.

[nous]

they'll do this with electronics but they get in a twist if you ask them about firearms i found out. i was told by the staff that there is essentially no safe way to keep your guns with you at the Riv. all they offer is the in-room safe which, aside from being a piece of crap, is way too small to hold any serious-sized piece of steel.

Several Defcons ago, we stayed at the NY-NY... We were checking into the hotel and had the bellman take our bags at the valet drop-off. We got our room key, went up, and called for our bags. We got a sort of strange reaction on the phone, and 20 minutes later, our bags showed up with a bellman and a security thug. We were told they knew we had a firearm in one of our bags (we did, in a locked case) and that we would not be allowed to keep the firearm in our room.

My man was walked down to security to check the firearm into the hotel safe. He was told it was illegal to have a firearm on casino property. He was told he was the only civilian who had ever tried to stay with his gun. He had to go retrieve it after we checked out and he was watched the whole way to the door.

All in all, it was a pretty crappy experience - one that has led to us never staying at the NY-NY again and keeping the firearm(s) in a small bag that we do not give to the bellman.

[big chopper]

He was told he was the only civilian who had ever tried to stay with his gun.

Yeah, but he's not the only guy to take a gun into NY-NY.
http://www.lvrj.com/news/8427982.html
--bc,

[nous]

Yeah, but he's not the only guy to take a gun into NY-NY.
http://www.lvrj.com/news/8427982.html
--bc,

Sure, but this was, I believe, 2003, and he didn't take the gun out of the locked case or the locked case out of the bag.

Someone going nuts and injuring people is always tragic. It's absurd, however, to blame the tool used.

[Deviant Ollam]

illegal to have a firearm on casino propertyabsolute and utter shenanigans, from my understanding of the laws in NV. it may be against that particular institution's policies to have guests check in with firearms... but i do not believe there is any law in nevada regarding gaming establishments and weapons. they also have preemption doctrine on the books at the state level, prohibiting lesser jurisdictions (i.e. cities) from passing any additional laws or regulations concerning firearms.

unless the NY-NY hotel had a sign explicitly showing that firearms were prohibited, you would have been perfectly within the law to have your weapon(s) there, since the rented room was serving as your residence for your the duration of your stay.

[nous]

unless the NY-NY hotel had a sign explicitly showing that firearms were prohibited, you would have been perfectly within the law to have your weapon(s) there, since the rented room was serving as your residence for your the duration of your stay.

It's my understanding that the property now has such signs (according to the packing.org forums), but they did not at the time.

[lil_freak]

I could not find a law concerning gaming establishments and weapons, but I'll keep looking tonight.

they also have preemption doctrine on the books at the state level, prohibiting lesser jurisdictions (i.e. cities) from passing any additional laws or regulations concerning firearms.

I'm sad to say this is not true:

Nevada

LOCAL GUN LAWS - PREEMPTION
May cities enact laws stronger than the state's? Yes

Nevada: State law does not prevent local city or county governments from enacting sensible local gun laws. Local governments have imposed waiting periods, limits on sales to juveniles and record-of-sale laws.

[falconred]

Title 12 of the Clark County Code requires the registration of firearms capable of being concealed... It is unlawful for any person to own or have in his possession, within the unincorporated area of Clark County, a gun, pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed, unless the same has first been registered with the sheriff or with a police department of any of the incorporated cities of Clark County. (Ord. 242 §§ 20, 1965)

Source: Las Vegas Metro (http://www.lvmpd.com/permits/firearms_registration.html)

And The Strip (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradise,_Nevada) is part of "unincorporated Clark County". So if you want to carry legally at all on the strip, you need to go talk to the police first (or within 24 hours of arrival in town I believe).

Also, Nevada does not honor (http://www.packing.org/state/nevada/#thisstatehonors) any other states' concealed carry permit. In order to concealed carry legally in the state, you must get a Nevada CWP (http://www.lvmpd.com/permits/firearms_concealed.html).

This is not legal advice, I am not a lawyer, even if I was I'm not your lawyer. etc.

[bloofar]

How about unconcealed carry? I realize it refers to guns 'capable of being concealed' which is a rather wishy-washy definition.. I can conceal a grenade launcher in a big enough coat. Cincinnati has a plain-sight carry law but the gun has to be unloaded. But you can e.g. have a loaded magazine in your pocket.

There's nothing quite like the reactions you get from people when you have an assault shotgun slung over your shoulder. Not that I'm recommending anyone try to do that on the strip. Though I'd love to see the results on the evening news.

[nous]

And The Strip (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradise,_Nevada) is part of "unincorporated Clark County". So if you want to carry legally at all on the strip, you need to go talk to the police first (or within 24 hours of arrival in town I believe).

The "24 hour" rule only applies to new residents, as I understand it. See the (PDF of the) letter here (http://www.gmj.com/pdf/GunRegistration.pdf). Making anyone who carries while visiting town register would do serious harm to the gun shows, casinos, and various other forms of entertainment.

[big chopper]

I don't like concealed carry laws. Damn it, if you're carrying a gun, I want to see it.

For example, If I'm getting on a bus at 1:20am I want to know how many passengers are carrying guns. It might affect my decision to board.
--bc,

[Thorn]

I don't like concealed carry laws. Damn it, if you're carrying a gun, I want to see it.

For example, If I'm getting on a bus at 1:20am I want to know how many passengers are carrying guns. It might affect my decision to board.
--bc,We don't have them. The assumption is anyone may be and could be armed.

[big chopper]

We don't have them. The assumption is anyone may be and could be armed.

I think most people would be more "deterred" if they actually saw that Glock 19. I know I would.
--bc,

[Thorn]

Well, if you want completely open carry, come around at hunting time. You'll see more openly carried handguns than you can shake a stick at. But the rest of the year, concealed carry is more the norm.

Glocks scare me, but only if I'm behind it. An issued one broke on me, and after that I refused to carry one. There is no need for me to trust my life to a plastic toy that Mattel could make better. Glock may sell million of guns, but that just makes them a perfect example of salesmanship being more important than the actual product.

[Deviant Ollam]

I think most people would be more "deterred" if they actually saw that Glock 19. I know I would.We [in Vermont] don't have [concealed carry laws. (anyone may legally carry without paperwork)]. The assumption is anyone may be and could be armed.these are both relevant and important points and they highlight one of the primary ways in which anti-gun folks (and i'm not putting that label on you, bc, just describing their arguments) tend to attack concealed carry laws. "if the objective is deterrence, wouldn't you want the criminal to see you carrying?" is often put forth.

while there is undoubtedly some truth to the fact that open carry can make a single individual appear like less of a target* for robbery, assault, etc... Thorn's point is the most appropriate counter-argument. when the criminals don't know who the armed citizens are, they are forced to conclude that any potential victim may be packing. while there isn't that visceral, immediate deterrent effect of seeing the steel on someone's hip, there is a much deeper and more permeating deterrence that covers a wider range of citizens.

put more briefly... your open-carry weapon protects you. your concealed-carry weapon protects me. (and the guy next to me, and you as well, even if none of us are carrying at that particular time)


* i would argue, however, that you don't always look like less of a target, in my opinion, with an openly-carried weapon. a very frail person or perhaps someone who is elderly or slow might be thought of as someone whose weapon could be taken by force or surprise. also, the appearance of a weapon can serve to instigate some situations and make matters worse (say, if a person is belligerently drunk)

all of this is moot in the face of the very valid concern that most firearm owners have to consider... and that is taking steps to not offend the delicate sensibilities of those around us. the simple matter is that guns make many people very nervous and uneasy. this is typically an irrational reaction, in my opinion, but part of being a good citizen is doing one's best to make the lives of others peaceful and happy. if a state had statutes on the books where concealed carry and open carry were treated absolutely equally before the law, chances are i would opt to carry concealed almost exclusively, simply on the grounds that it makes others feel safer and actually be safer at the same time.

as anyone in the security industry can tell you... those two things are often very incongruous, and it's a pleasure when you can get them in the same package.

[big chopper]

I think that for many people (myself included) those who carry concealed weapons (with a permit) have something in common with those who carry weapons without a permit--they both have guns on them the I'm not aware of. Neither make me "feel
safer", regardless of the actual facts.
--bc,

[DJ Jackalope]

All in all, it was a pretty crappy experience - one that has led to us never staying at the NY-NY again and keeping the firearm(s) in a small bag that we do not give to the bellman.

My NYNY experience is having all my luggage stolen out of my car in the parking garage after DC10 (er i think it was 10) .:evil:

[Contrarian]

My NYNY experience is having all my luggage stolen out of my car in the parking garage after DC10 (er i think it was 10) .:evil:

They are really going for that authentic New York tourist experience.

[Synapse]

I think that for many people (myself included) those who carry concealed weapons (with a permit) have something in common with those who carry weapons without a permit--they both have guns on them the I'm not aware of. Neither make me "feel
safer", regardless of the actual facts.
--bc,

Uhh, yeah.
I had no idea a typical "civilian" bringing firearms into a casino was that common.
I'd rather the illusion of safety, and not see so many people are walking around with weapons ;p

[licutis]

I will be leaving especially late on Monday and would like to know if a) the riv has a concierge I can leave my bags with and b) if they are trustworthy to do so (won't lose them or go through them). Also, any social advice on how best to deal with the situation, as I don't normally deal with fancy french word services. ;)

I know several others have responded, last year during a quite boring and questionable con I attended at the Riveira in September for work I left some bags with the Bell desk for two weeks and returned later to find them fully intact and still containing a laptop. I wouldn't worry about them loosing your bags.

Now your laundry is another matter, believe little the bell desk says about laundry. I had to get into a hour long argument with the bell desk manager, a old stogy guy, about my missing dry cleaning :)

[octalpus]

I've been quite pleased with the Riv's bell service (the ONLY thing I was pleased with, actually...). They took my bags, held them in a locked room until my room was ready, brought them up to my room, brought them down when I was checking out, and again held them in a locked room until I left for my flight. Exactly as bell service should be!