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  • #16
    Re: riv concierge?

    Originally posted by Deviant Ollam View Post
    unless the NY-NY hotel had a sign explicitly showing that firearms were prohibited, you would have been perfectly within the law to have your weapon(s) there, since the rented room was serving as your residence for your the duration of your stay.
    It's my understanding that the property now has such signs (according to the packing.org forums), but they did not at the time.

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    • #17
      Re: riv concierge?

      I could not find a law concerning gaming establishments and weapons, but I'll keep looking tonight.

      Originally posted by Deviant Ollam View Post
      they also have preemption doctrine on the books at the state level, prohibiting lesser jurisdictions (i.e. cities) from passing any additional laws or regulations concerning firearms.
      I'm sad to say this is not true:

      Nevada

      LOCAL GUN LAWS - PREEMPTION
      May cities enact laws stronger than the state's? Yes

      Nevada: State law does not prevent local city or county governments from enacting sensible local gun laws. Local governments have imposed waiting periods, limits on sales to juveniles and record-of-sale laws.
      "It is difficult not to wonder whether that combination of elements which produces a machine for labor does not create also a soul of sorts, a dull resentful metallic will, which can rebel at times". Pearl S. Buck

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      • #18
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        Title 12 of the Clark County Code requires the registration of firearms capable of being concealed... It is unlawful for any person to own or have in his possession, within the unincorporated area of Clark County, a gun, pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed, unless the same has first been registered with the sheriff or with a police department of any of the incorporated cities of Clark County. (Ord. 242 §§ 20, 1965)
        Source: Las Vegas Metro

        And The Strip is part of "unincorporated Clark County". So if you want to carry legally at all on the strip, you need to go talk to the police first (or within 24 hours of arrival in town I believe).

        Also, Nevada does not honor any other states' concealed carry permit. In order to concealed carry legally in the state, you must get a Nevada CWP.

        This is not legal advice, I am not a lawyer, even if I was I'm not your lawyer. etc.

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        • #19
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          How about unconcealed carry? I realize it refers to guns 'capable of being concealed' which is a rather wishy-washy definition.. I can conceal a grenade launcher in a big enough coat. Cincinnati has a plain-sight carry law but the gun has to be unloaded. But you can e.g. have a loaded magazine in your pocket.

          There's nothing quite like the reactions you get from people when you have an assault shotgun slung over your shoulder. Not that I'm recommending anyone try to do that on the strip. Though I'd love to see the results on the evening news.

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          • #20
            Re: riv concierge?

            Originally posted by falconred View Post
            And The Strip is part of "unincorporated Clark County". So if you want to carry legally at all on the strip, you need to go talk to the police first (or within 24 hours of arrival in town I believe).
            The "24 hour" rule only applies to new residents, as I understand it. See the (PDF of the) letter here. Making anyone who carries while visiting town register would do serious harm to the gun shows, casinos, and various other forms of entertainment.

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            • #21
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              I don't like concealed carry laws. Damn it, if you're carrying a gun, I want to see it.

              For example, If I'm getting on a bus at 1:20am I want to know how many passengers are carrying guns. It might affect my decision to board.
              --bc,

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              • #22
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                Originally posted by big chopper View Post
                I don't like concealed carry laws. Damn it, if you're carrying a gun, I want to see it.

                For example, If I'm getting on a bus at 1:20am I want to know how many passengers are carrying guns. It might affect my decision to board.
                --bc,
                We don't have them. The assumption is anyone may be and could be armed.
                Thorn
                "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning." - Catherine Aird

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                • #23
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                  Originally posted by Thorn View Post
                  We don't have them. The assumption is anyone may be and could be armed.
                  I think most people would be more "deterred" if they actually saw that Glock 19. I know I would.
                  --bc,

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                  • #24
                    Re: riv concierge?

                    Well, if you want completely open carry, come around at hunting time. You'll see more openly carried handguns than you can shake a stick at. But the rest of the year, concealed carry is more the norm.

                    Glocks scare me, but only if I'm behind it. An issued one broke on me, and after that I refused to carry one. There is no need for me to trust my life to a plastic toy that Mattel could make better. Glock may sell million of guns, but that just makes them a perfect example of salesmanship being more important than the actual product.
                    Thorn
                    "If you can't be a good example, then you'll just have to be a horrible warning." - Catherine Aird

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                    • #25
                      Re: riv concierge?

                      Originally posted by big chopper View Post
                      I think most people would be more "deterred" if they actually saw that Glock 19. I know I would.
                      Originally posted by Thorn View Post
                      We [in Vermont] don't have [concealed carry laws. (anyone may legally carry without paperwork)]. The assumption is anyone may be and could be armed.
                      these are both relevant and important points and they highlight one of the primary ways in which anti-gun folks (and i'm not putting that label on you, bc, just describing their arguments) tend to attack concealed carry laws. "if the objective is deterrence, wouldn't you want the criminal to see you carrying?" is often put forth.

                      while there is undoubtedly some truth to the fact that open carry can make a single individual appear like less of a target* for robbery, assault, etc... Thorn's point is the most appropriate counter-argument. when the criminals don't know who the armed citizens are, they are forced to conclude that any potential victim may be packing. while there isn't that visceral, immediate deterrent effect of seeing the steel on someone's hip, there is a much deeper and more permeating deterrence that covers a wider range of citizens.

                      put more briefly... your open-carry weapon protects you. your concealed-carry weapon protects me. (and the guy next to me, and you as well, even if none of us are carrying at that particular time)


                      * i would argue, however, that you don't always look like less of a target, in my opinion, with an openly-carried weapon. a very frail person or perhaps someone who is elderly or slow might be thought of as someone whose weapon could be taken by force or surprise. also, the appearance of a weapon can serve to instigate some situations and make matters worse (say, if a person is belligerently drunk)

                      all of this is moot in the face of the very valid concern that most firearm owners have to consider... and that is taking steps to not offend the delicate sensibilities of those around us. the simple matter is that guns make many people very nervous and uneasy. this is typically an irrational reaction, in my opinion, but part of being a good citizen is doing one's best to make the lives of others peaceful and happy. if a state had statutes on the books where concealed carry and open carry were treated absolutely equally before the law, chances are i would opt to carry concealed almost exclusively, simply on the grounds that it makes others feel safer and actually be safer at the same time.

                      as anyone in the security industry can tell you... those two things are often very incongruous, and it's a pleasure when you can get them in the same package.
                      "I'll admit I had an OiNK account and frequented it quite often… What made OiNK a great place was that it was like the world's greatest record store… iTunes kind of feels like Sam Goody to me. I don't feel cool when I go there. I'm tired of seeing John Mayer's face pop up. I feel like I'm being hustled when I visit there, and I don't think their product is that great. DRM, low bit rate, etc... OiNK it existed because it filled a void of what people want."
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                      • #26
                        Re: riv concierge?

                        I think that for many people (myself included) those who carry concealed weapons (with a permit) have something in common with those who carry weapons without a permit--they both have guns on them the I'm not aware of. Neither make me "feel
                        safer", regardless of the actual facts.
                        --bc,

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                        • #27
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                          Originally posted by nous View Post
                          All in all, it was a pretty crappy experience - one that has led to us never staying at the NY-NY again and keeping the firearm(s) in a small bag that we do not give to the bellman.
                          My NYNY experience is having all my luggage stolen out of my car in the parking garage after DC10 (er i think it was 10) .
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                          • #28
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                            Originally posted by DJ Jackalope View Post
                            My NYNY experience is having all my luggage stolen out of my car in the parking garage after DC10 (er i think it was 10) .
                            They are really going for that authentic New York tourist experience.

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                            • #29
                              Re: riv concierge?

                              Originally posted by big chopper View Post
                              I think that for many people (myself included) those who carry concealed weapons (with a permit) have something in common with those who carry weapons without a permit--they both have guns on them the I'm not aware of. Neither make me "feel
                              safer", regardless of the actual facts.
                              --bc,
                              Uhh, yeah.
                              I had no idea a typical "civilian" bringing firearms into a casino was that common.
                              I'd rather the illusion of safety, and not see so many people are walking around with weapons ;p
                              Synapses, the spaces between neurons, are the channels through which our most fundamental traits, preferences, and beliefs are encoded. In short, they enable each of us to function as a single, integrated individual
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                              • #30
                                Re: riv concierge?

                                Originally posted by mfreeck View Post
                                I will be leaving especially late on Monday and would like to know if a) the riv has a concierge I can leave my bags with and b) if they are trustworthy to do so (won't lose them or go through them). Also, any social advice on how best to deal with the situation, as I don't normally deal with fancy french word services. ;)
                                I know several others have responded, last year during a quite boring and questionable con I attended at the Riveira in September for work I left some bags with the Bell desk for two weeks and returned later to find them fully intact and still containing a laptop. I wouldn't worry about them loosing your bags.

                                Now your laundry is another matter, believe little the bell desk says about laundry. I had to get into a hour long argument with the bell desk manager, a old stogy guy, about my missing dry cleaning :)

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