Lo-Jacked "Baby Jesus" was stolen, and recovered..

[TheCotMan]

A "lowjacked" baby Jesus was stolen, and quickly recovered.

Like most any technology, the real cost (adjusted for inflation) will drop as it moves to mass production, and wide-spread use.

Is this the future of asset tracking and measures against theft?

(Obviously, no discussion of religion, but discussions related to security from theft is perfectly fine.)

[Greyhatter]

Re: Low Jacked "Baby Jesus" was stolen, and recovered..

While this may seem humorous at first it is sad what people will do to others in spite. Trespassing and theft are the least of this issue when we consider that defacing a faith of others gave this woman some sort of pleasure. In most other third world countries this woman would be deported or most likely beheaded for her act but in this country she will be protected under the laws once fashioned by those whose faith she spites. However, I think it will be logical and affordable to GPS just about anything in the future. We already GPS dogs, cats, and children so as the price of the "tags" and the "tracking" services decline I think even the wise men and the animals in all nativity scenes will one day be retrievable.

[xor]

Re: Low Jacked "Baby Jesus" was stolen, and recovered..

I have no comment, but you know what I would say. So I will resist the nagging urge to say something crass and witty. :)

xor

[Chris]

Re: Low Jacked "Baby Jesus" was stolen, and recovered..

I have no comment, but you know what I would say. So I will resist the nagging urge to say something crass and witty. :)

xor

This is a retarded post. Either comment or don't post.

[xor]

Re: Low Jacked "Baby Jesus" was stolen, and recovered..

Since you asked. I think everything will be tagged eventually. Imagine never having to lose property ever again. Lose you keys, lose the remote, forget where you park, beep you find it. Property doesn't have rights so there is no legality to it as long as your stuff is kept private. You will see it first in other countries I imagine before you see it here.

As for my comments above anything to do with religion and politics in these divisive emotionally charged times I feel crosses the flame bait line. There are certain technical questions I would love to ask but can't because of the item in question. So I was just trying to register my objections Chris in a humorous non-threating way.

xor

http://www.newkerala.com/one.php?act...llnews&id=7896 it has begun

[Deviant Ollam]

Re: Low Jacked "Baby Jesus" was stolen, and recovered..

Like most any technology, the real cost (adjusted for inflation) will drop as it moves to mass production, and wide-spread use.

just an interesting low-cost hack to mention... if you want a cheap and simple way to lo-jack someone or something you can do it with some newer cel phones.

most notably, there is this family plan that's branded by Disney (who else but The Rat™ would come up with technology that smacks so blatantly of fascism) that allows parents to look at their kids' phone locations in real time via a browser. It's based on the Sprint Network but called "Disney Mobile" so i don't know what sort of carrier you'd actually call it. Buy one of these babies, and toss it in someone's trunk (bonus points if you hack a car charger to tap into the 12 volt wiring in order to keep the phone powered up) and you have a very low-cost GPS tracker that you can monitor from anywhere (almost pseudonymously i would say)

While this may seem humorous at first it is sad what people will do to others in spite.

this may get close to the topic of religion but i'd like to point out that many people who steal the infant figurine from nativity scenes (it's a common occurrence, for those who don't know) often bring it back on christmas eve. In a lot of cases, it's a manifestation of what people see in their homes growing up... a good number of families don't put out the infant until christmas has arrived and when some individuals see people not observing that specific tradition, they seek to "correct" the matter. It's still "theft" or at the least a form of vandalism, but it's not always done out of spite or with the intent of destruction/permanent loss of property.

she will be protected under the laws once fashioned by those whose faith she spites.

maybe i'm really getting too close to a line here, but my impetus to correct a wrongly-stated remark is overwhelming. i assume you were referring to our nation's founders... however they were a polyglot mixture of a variety of faiths, not just christians. some were deists, others agnostic, etc.

of particular interest in this whole matter, from a perspective of religious diversity, is the fact that it was a practicing Jewish individual who supplied the GPS-enabled baby doll as a gift to the folks in florida. The fact that this whole nativty was part of a display in the "Founders Circle" which is municipal property gets me going in a whole other direction, but i won't get into detail there of course. (display was multi-cultural, yes. my reservations remain)

I think it will be logical and affordable to GPS just about anything in the future.

as much as i have concerns about where it will lead (technology that inadvertently can result in the keeping of log files scares me) i agree with the likelihood.

We already GPS dogs, cats, and children so as the price of the "tags" and the "tracking" services decline I think even the wise men and the animals in all nativity scenes will one day be retrievable.

i think you may be confusing RFID (the "Home Again" pet finder product) with GPS lo-jacking. The pet tags are passive RFID and can only be read in close proximity to a scanner. They do not communicate with any network or involve satellites. Also, from some other articles reporting this story, it seems like additional figures in that nativity have also been GPS'd by now.

Heh, dare i press my luck with the forum rules by making a "found Jesus" joke...

Alice: So is Chuck coming out with us tonight?
Bob: No, he's going to be at Church all evening, I think.
Alice: I didn't know Chuck was all that religious.
Bob: Not until recently, but he just found Jesus last week.
Alice: He found Jesus all of a sudden?
Bob: Yes, he said it was really easy... he just plotted 28.384 N, 80.605 W into his Garmin

[xor]

Re: Low Jacked "Baby Jesus" was stolen, and recovered..

Sorry Renderman;

RFID For People

http://www.verichipcorp.com/

http://www.adsx.com/index.html

xor

[Greyhatter]

Re: Low Jacked "Baby Jesus" was stolen, and recovered..

I think we've had GPS for dogs and kids for a while?

http://pagead2.googlesyndication.com...&okw=Child+GPS

http://www.911togo.com/

And as for founding fathers who formed many of the laws that protect us all today:

http://watkins.gospelcom.net/foundingfathers.htm

http://www.shalomjerusalem.com/heritage/heritage19.html

And a working definition of Deism:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism

And Agnosticism: (whom are neither Christians nor Athiests)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic

[TheCotMan]

Re: Low Jacked "Baby Jesus" was stolen, and recovered..

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And as for founding fathers who formed many of the laws that protect us all today:

http://watkins.gospelcom.net/foundingfathers.htm

http://www.shalomjerusalem.com/heritage/heritage19.html

And a working definition of Deism:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism

And Agnosticism: (whom are neither Christians nor Athiests)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agnostic

Please stop setting up an argument over definitions related to religion.
I tried to be clear about the, "no religion," comment.

You can settle that in PM, or use a forum on religion to discuss it, but we try to avoid both politics and religion on the DC forums. (You'll see my post at the top was not about religion, but the use of technology to track stolen/missing items, using the sample story as an example.)

Thanks!

[erehwon]

Re: Low Jacked "Baby Jesus" was stolen, and recovered..

Looks like I'll have to be a little more careful when it comes to borrowing garden gnomes so they can have a change of pace.

[xor]

Re: Low Jacked "Baby Jesus" was stolen, and recovered..

I think an $800 anatomically incorrect, historically inaccurate, effigy of a baby jesus with a $400 lojack stuffed god knows where was just too much for most people. :) It's just sooo wrong on sooo many levels. :)

xor

[theprez98]

Re: Low Jacked "Baby Jesus" was stolen, and recovered..

Can we talk about Kwanzaa?

On a semi-relevant point, Wikipedia is fine for general knowledge, but in a scholarly sense it should never be "cited".

[TheCotMan]

Re: Lo-Jacked "Baby Jesus" was stolen, and recovered..

Can we talk about Kwanzaa?

Hey now. I have a half-rotten fish, frozen to seal in that smelly goodness. Don't make me send it to you! :-)

As for my comments above anything to do with religion and politics in these divisive emotionally charged times I feel crosses the flame bait line.

Politics and Religion are topics to be avoided on the forums, as explained in the rules. We do have exceptions which are learned by people that have lurked long enough to see them. One example is discussion of laws and how they impact security.

There are certain technical questions I would love to ask but can't because of the item in question. So I was just trying to register my objections Chris in a humorous non-threating way.

If you have technical questions about the items in question, then ask them. Just saying "Jesus" or "God" or "Thor" is not enough for a rule violation. People sometimes include one or more of those as parts of expletives in posts. It is discussions or arguments about religion and politics which are rule violations.

just an interesting low-cost hack to mention... if you want a cheap and simple way to lo-jack someone or something you can do it with some newer cel phones.

URL1:

"A man charged with stalking his ex-girlfriend by attaching a global positioning system to her car was sentenced to 16 months in state prison, prosecutors said,"

No points for him-- no car battery splice.

Why use a phone, when there is an ad for this?

this may get close to the topic of religion but i'd like to point out that many people who steal the infant figurine from nativity scenes (it's a common occurrence, for those who don't know) often bring it back on christmas eve. In a lot of cases, it's a manifestation of what people see in their homes growing up... a good number of families don't put out the infant until christmas has arrived and when some individuals see people not observing that specific tradition, they seek to "correct" the matter. It's still "theft" or at the least a form of vandalism, but it's not always done out of spite or with the intent of destruction/permanent loss of property.

Does not seem to be a violation to me. Discussion is focused on laws, enforcement, crime, and people's attempts to bypass security/trust.

maybe i'm really getting too close to a line here, but my impetus to correct a wrongly-stated remark is overwhelming. i assume you were referring to our nation's founders... however they were a polyglot mixture of a variety of faiths, not just christians. some were deists, others agnostic, etc.

Points of fact, but GreyHatter's comment about, "faith," seems to have been the trolling item that started this, and resulted in the beginnings of an argument: establishing definitions.

[xor]

Re: Lo-Jacked "Baby Jesus" was stolen, and recovered..

Ok, I was just briefly scanning the lojack faq. Please don't think I have some perverse sense of humor or impropriety but where did they place the unit and how did they hide it. Apparently it's a secret they don't even tell the owners according to the faq. Does anyone know what these units look like? I've seen the receivers on the cops show, but never the actual units themselves. How much to they weigh, ...etc. According to the faq they only draw 1ma of course they don't give you a rate just an amount.

Oh here is a link to our little friend who was response for this. Gotta love those bad girls. She is only 18 by like 3 months, first offense she will get off with a slap on the hand and maybe community service.

Our little friend


She's kinda hot. :) We have the same color eyes if my monitor isn't lying to me.

xor

Ps Don't break even the minor offenses in Florida your picture will end up on cable TV down there and the web.

Actually a little more reading indicates that it was gps which requires a LOS signal so the antenna probably painted the same color needed to be at least on the surface of the item.

[Greyhatter]

Re: Lo-Jacked "Baby Jesus" was stolen, and recovered..

"Our little friend" does not seem to be a hottie by any stretch of MY imagination, however, she does look remorseful.:~( Sorry Cotman about the "faith" comment but it's almost impossible to dodge an 18 Wheeler coming head on when dividing the "technical security issue" here from the root story. Xor very funny about how and where a tracker in Jesus could be over the top! :~)) I also think as transmitters and chips become smaller and more powerful with newer battery technology we could see splinter size affordable GPS for civilian sub-dermal uses perhaps in our lifetime or at least in 100 years? Remember too that satellite transmitters and receivers get smaller and more powerful and sensitive each generation.