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  • #16
    Re: RFID in H&K handguns

    Originally posted by Greyhatter View Post
    Ok, so my intell came from an ex Lockhead x33 project worker who claimed he was implanted with RFID and was required to also wear RFID badges 10 years ago that would open and close top security doors upon entrance and egress while being tracked throughout the project building. I guess he was either telling me a whopper or the public is very in the dark about many things. BTW, my father worked at Wright Patterson AFB with top clearance during the Blue Book Air Force reporting period. That's all I will tell you.
    I'll be polite, and assume that your friend was exaggerating, or that you misunderstood the nature of the "tracking".

    Implanted RFID tags are no big deal, there is at least one acquaintance who has it, and I'm aware of dozens of people out there with implants. However, implanted it doesn't allow tracking, as it can't be read from any distance more than about 6" from the reader. As for the badges, those are nothing new, and aren't particularly remarkable. Well over a decade ago I worked in a facility where access was controlled at each by the ID card. These were "proximity cards" and they were tied to a central computer that logged where each employee opened a door. The card was waved near the door control panel, the unlocked, and the employee ID was logged along with the date and time. By looking at the log, and sorting by the employee ID, it was easy to "track" the employee's location by which doors had been opened.
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    • #17
      Re: RFID in H&K handguns

      Originally posted by Greyhatter View Post
      Ok, so my intell came from an ex Lockhead x33 project worker who claimed he was implanted with RFID and was required to also wear RFID badges 10 years ago that would open and close top security doors upon entrance and egress while being tracked throughout the project building. I guess he was either telling me a whopper or the public is very in the dark about many things. Please don't kill the messenger. I think we all know there are things going on at higher levels the masses are not privy to.
      What your friend described is possible because he was inside an enclosed facility which had been specifically designed. This is a far cry from this being possible outside a very controlled and specifically configured environment.
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      • #18
        Re: RFID in H&K handguns

        I'm pretty sure Cisco makes a product that can graphically track you in a building by plotting where your smart phone/laptop is.

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        • #19
          Re: RFID in H&K handguns

          Originally posted by Greyhatter View Post
          Ok, so my intell came from an ex Lockheed x33 project worker who claimed he was implanted with RFID and was required to also wear RFID badges 10 years ago that would open and close top security doors upon entrance and egress while being tracked throughout the project building. I guess he was either telling me a whopper or the public is very in the dark about many things. Please don't kill the messenger. I think we all know there are things going on at higher levels the masses are not privy to.
          Again, this story is very MUCH different than "the government has a plan to track everyone."

          I can't speak to the apparent "forced RFID implant", but many companies have some sort of RFID or proximity badge system which is required for entry/exit into buildings or different areas. This is called access control, and it is a basic concept of security. Mistaking this for a secret government plan to track the whereabouts of every person within the United States is a far, far stretch.
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          • #20
            Re: RFID in H&K handguns

            So does this mean that the guys from the grassy knowle are really aliens from Area 51 flying ships that look like black helicopters performing cow mutilations while implanting RFID chips in peoples butts and electronically shocking Dick Cheney's heart, so that he screws the poor more.

            If so, I'm glad we cleared that up once and for all :-).

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            • #21
              Re: RFID in H&K handguns

              Originally posted by barry99705 View Post
              I thought it was for that "certain part of a mans body", and for Madonnas boobs....



              oooooh!!!!! :-)

              xor
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              • #22
                Re: RFID in H&K handguns

                Ok, so my intell came from an ex Lockhead x33 project worker who claimed he was implanted with RFID and was required to also wear RFID badges 10 years ago that would open and close top security doors upon entrance and egress while being tracked throughout the project building. I guess he was either telling me a whopper or the public is very in the dark about many things. Please don't kill the messenger. I think we all know there are things going on at higher levels the masses are not privy to.
                Originally posted by DaKahuna View Post
                What your friend described is possible because he was inside an enclosed facility which had been specifically designed. This is a far cry from this being possible outside a very controlled and specifically configured environment.
                I've worked at Lockheed (no A, thanks). I've worked at multiple aerospace companies. This is complete and total bullshit. No, and I mean absolutely *NO* "top security" door is going to open off of an RFID. Ever. Didn't happen. Look up compartmentalized security (for starters). Look up Tempest (no, mostly Tempest's not used anymore, but it gives a really good idea of why RFID won't work in those areas). Jeeze, man. The management of this data alone is mind boggling.

                I have a very good idea of how security worked (and works) in those places, and it *always* involves the magic phrase of:

                "A thing you have, and a thing you know."

                Sure, lots of badges have RFID built in, and it's a convenience to get into the front door of a building, but no way is anyone being tracked, and certainly not implanted, for obvious reasons. Dang, is genetic mutation occuring such that youngsters no longer have the ability to recognize bullshit when it shows up?

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                • #23
                  Re: RFID in H&K handguns

                  Originally posted by theprez98 View Post
                  Please. Do you think the government has nothing better to do than to track your every movement?
                  just because they have better things to do doesn't mean the US Government doesn't do stupid and invasive things instead. hehehehe... look at (a) war on drugs (b) the bulk of our foreign policy.

                  now, before i slip down the greased grass that is politics, i will completely acknowledge that from a purely technical standpoint it is wildly infeasible for the government to track all its citizens at present. however, technology grows by leaps and bounds... to such a degree that (i believe) the "we don't have anywhere near that capability" isn't an argument for future possibilities. it really comes down to how people wish to use technology that they can acquire... and i think that there are a number of elements within our society's power structure who would support tracking all citizens in one way or another. (one might make the case that to ascend to a position of influence you are much more likely to have a personality that finds this appealing for a variety of reasons.)
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                  • #24
                    Re: RFID in H&K handguns

                    Originally posted by Deviant Ollam View Post
                    just because they have better things to do doesn't mean the US Government doesn't do stupid and invasive things instead. hehehehe... look at (a) war on drugs (b) the bulk of our foreign policy.
                    Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting the government doesn't do stupid things. But tracking the every movement of every living person within our borders is something I am pretty sure it does not do, and does not currently (or in the foreseeable future) have the resources to do, even if the technology were available.
                    Originally posted by Deviant Ollam View Post
                    now, before i slip down the greased grass that is politics...
                    Didn't you already do that?!
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                    • #25
                      Re: RFID in H&K handguns

                      Originally posted by barry99705 View Post
                      I'm pretty sure Cisco makes a product that can graphically track you in a building by plotting where your smart phone/laptop is.
                      Cisco makes devices for this? People have been doing this with various methods over the years, the most well known one was OpenBeacon at CCC in Berlin last year. There is a guy in The Netherlands who was tracking people on the streets and seeing what direction they walked in based on the bluetooth on their phones.

                      RFID with passive tags does not yet have the range unless you have specialised equipment, to power the passive tags. I can understand the fear of being tracked everywhere you go, but anywhere in public you are being tracked so that marketers can figure out how to reach you, how to best place their products. Whenever you buy gas, it is logged. They would not need to implant RFID into every single piece of clothing you own. They can simply use the systems already in place to follow you.

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                      • #26
                        Re: RFID in H&K handguns

                        I think it's a possibility in the future to have some type of RFID tracking system in place for the population, but there would have to be some way to link each RFID with a person... I guess you could do it with sales like cell phones and firearms, but if you're tracking them through clothing, cash sales would make that nearly impossible. It would have to be a massive network with links to a central point, or points in order to keep track of everyone everywhere. They could use all of the private company systems I suppose... Movie stores use RFID and so do most retail stores (or at least I think that's what they are, but I have no experience with RFID.) I guess the Government could piggyback off of them ;)

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                        • #27
                          Re: RFID in H&K handguns

                          I've worked at Lockheed (no A, thanks). I've worked at multiple aerospace companies. This is complete and total bullshit. No, and I mean absolutely *NO* "top security" door is going to open off of an RFID. Ever. Didn't happen. Look up compartmentalized security (for starters). Look up Tempest (no, mostly Tempest's not used anymore, but it gives a really good idea of why RFID won't work in those areas). Jeeze, man. The management of this data alone is mind boggling.
                          To be sure I only quoted on one man's words working on a black project for Lockheed. x33 is now declassified. I do know the government keeps very close track of every employee and government official working on top secret projects. If I've set off too many "bullshit detectors" in here rest assured that the government has many black projects and employs federal and corporate employees in developing stuff you won't see on the market for many years if ever at all. Consider all the tech stuff you own now that our government invented, "patented" if you will, for their use that's in use in electronics you can now walk into Walmart and buy for your families. I'd say the "real bullshit" could be in your denial, or perhaps the fact that you never had sufficient clearance at Lockheed to be in the know.
                          Last edited by Greyhatter; April 14, 2008, 13:27.

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                          • #28
                            Re: RFID in H&K handguns

                            Originally posted by Greyhatter View Post
                            To be sure I only quoted on man's words working on a black project for Lockheed. x33 is now declassified. If I've set off too many "bullshit detectors" in here rest assured that the government has many black projects and employs feds and corporates in developing stuff you won't see on the market for many years if ever. Consider all the tech stuff you own now that our government invented for their use that you can now walk into WalMart and buy for your families. I'd say the "real bullshit" could be in your denial or the fact that you never had sufficient clearance at Lockheed to be in the know.
                            Your friend wouldn't happen to be Bob Lazar would it?
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                            • #29
                              Re: RFID in H&K handguns

                              Originally posted by streaker69 View Post
                              Your friend wouldn't happen to be Bob Lazar would it?
                              I do not know Bob Lazar. Further, I do not believe he ever worked at Lockheed. Nevertheless, here is a photo of my x33 project acquaintance just visiting:

                              Clicky

                              You're really into this "alien" thing aren't you?
                              Last edited by Greyhatter; April 14, 2008, 19:06.

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                              • #30
                                Re: RFID in H&K handguns

                                Like has been mentioned, for most RFID systems, large scale tracking is unfiesable to implement on the sly. Range is the main issue, people would notice readers at every door.

                                The part that should scare people is feature creep of existing systems (speedpass, ezpass, etc). Systems like that can start with good intentions, but when gov't and others realize the data that can be mined, that's when it gets scary.

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