Ninja party is canceled this year

[converge]

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Thats the strange thing though, isn't it? Businessmen love guaranteed money. You find a way of maximizing the profit and you take it ... it seems that some hotels have a hard time figuring that out and would prefer $0. Car dealerships are odd like this too, where they won't sell a volume of their vehicles at a low profit margin to an educated buyer but would rather take the risk of sitting on them until an unsuspecting dope walks up saying 'i think i need a new car'

[Wing]

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It's the Riviera. If the management had a clue, people would at least remember to mention it when talking about the north end of the strip. The construction sites have more appeal (Indeed, if management had a clue, the Riviera would probably BE a construction site)

[[Syntax]]

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Im good with whatever people decide to do. I have no problem with the BYOB thing, but the whole situation is disturbing. I want to say I never imagined a hotel in Vegas would be so anal about things, but then I think about how many things went unnoticed or at least noticed without confrontation at the AP.

Last year many people were harassed for simply loitering in the main hallway downstairs, that is rather ridiculous. These are paying guests of a hotel, convention or not, and the hotel is going to yell at them rudely to move out of the hallway. If they think Im going to loiter at their bar they are mistaken.

I encountered security being total asses without any respect for guests, multiple times when people were doing absolutely nothing wrong.

[mfreeck]

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Just to rehash the camelbak idea because I like it.

I don't see why people are talking about *organizing* people with camelbaks. We are all self sufficient people, there's no reason people can't byob in a non-alcohol container. Don't or can't buy booze? Great! BYOMixer. I'd also like to point out that a decent sized camelbak should support 2 bladders (more if you put them inside, but it's not as graceful and more hose confusion). It just makes more sense to me not to make one mix, but to have one for booze (more capacity) and have the mixer separate (in my case, one for booze, one for water and trade for mixers).

I understand the ninjas can't take a chance on a big organized party this year, but I predict with the slap down put on organized parties, the party will just metastisize.

Really the Riv should be thinking about what happens when the party is every defcon attendee wandering the hotel. Is it easier to deal with 500 drunken people in one room, or 4000 mobile bartenders?

[Deviant Ollam]

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can camelbacks be worn, how do i mean to say this... "upside down" so that the drinking hose can act as just an on/off pouring spout? the way i've seen camelbacks work often involves sucking on the straw.

sharing cocktails in that manner is fine between folks who are friends and/or lovers... but i think we don't need to start MeningitisCon if we don't need to. once larger circles of people are involved, a simple "squirt into the cup" solution would work well.

... but something a bit less conspicuous than a bug sprayer, perhaps.

** looks and chuckles in Dallas' direction **

[Gadsden]

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I would suggest having your drink already mixed in the pack. It is my understanding that pure distilled spirits in the bag could wear down the hydration bladder and the hoses. Besides.. why go through all the trouble of having to mix a drink when you can just wear it on your back and sip? It is like a feeding bag for booze! :-)

[theprez98]

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the party will just metastasize...

That's 72 scrabble points!

[valanx]

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can camelbacks be worn, how do i mean to say this... "upside down" so that the drinking hose can act as just an on/off pouring spout? the way i've seen camelbacks work often involves sucking on the straw.

... but something a bit less conspicuous than a bug sprayer, perhaps.

Well, I think you can push on the camelback maybe by leaning up against a wall and get the same effect. Not sure on that though. If you want to discourage people from taking said liquor away, perhaps one of these is in order.

Though, I'm not sure how that would look to the common passerby.

[JonM]

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can camelbacks be worn, how do i mean to say this... "upside down" so that the drinking hose can act as just an on/off pouring spout? the way i've seen camelbacks work often involves sucking on the straw.

The hose tap on a CamelBack is on the bottom of the bladder. So, as long as the spout is below the liquid level on the bag, you just squeeze the bite valve and the liquid will flow.

-Jon

[Voltage Spike]

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If you want to discourage people from taking said liquor away, perhaps one of these is in order.

3 oz of body temperature alcohol? You are one sick bastard.

[valanx]

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With modification I'm sure someone could have 32 ounces and a "serious medical condition"

Or you could hide it in a colostomy bag, but that really makes delivery kind of odd.

[russ]

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It doesn't sound like many people are happy about this decision. I personally like the camelback idea. It gets hot in the desert and it'd be nice to have some "water' around to sip on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTLH3Gz9FLc&NR=1

[tprophet]

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It's hard to run an outdoor dance party in Las Vegas. Remember, it gets up over 100 degrees there, and there is lots of blowing dust. It's very hard on the gear and on anyone dancing. Also, I'm not sure what we'd have for sound - I don't know what venue we have for Queercon yet (or whether we even have one--I assume we will, Defcon folks have always been awesome to us) so I haven't arranged any sound yet.

Remember you do need more sound for an outdoor gig than an indoor one. The minimum configuration that would be acceptable would be a pair of 18" subs and a pair of SRM450s as mains, plus a pair of monitors. This will carry, and there are neighbors (although I think folks are fairly accustomed to loud noises in Las Vegas). XOR brought up the idea of using public land. I recommend talking to some local Las Vegas DJs about that before making plans for a renegade on public land... for my part, I have talked to DJ Foggy and SuperK, both of whom are Las Vegas based. The local police have a very bad reputation for busting raves. They not only bust things up, they arrest people and confiscate all the gear (and since any endeavor is likely to include my sound system, I'm not very eager to sign up for that).

Anyone who misses the Ninja party is welcome to come to Queercon--we're always open invite and you don't have to be gay--although if it shakes out like last year, there will be a cash bar. We provide the DJs, sound and decorations for free but we can't afford to buy everyone drinks.

Overall, I'm really sad to hear about this. The Riviera has been a less than ideal venue for a variety of reasons. Who are they going to shake down next, CTF? For my part, I'm really glad that DT is looking for another hotel. I like The Palms, personally... they're cool enough to host the 2600 meeting after all! :)

you would probably just need one $35 a night generator to run enough sound for a party with the powered Mackie speakers I am thinking about. (if i am remembering how the sound was rigged last year...i dont remember what the subwoofer situation was in the skybox- were those Mackies', too?)

If I remember right, Londo or Converge knew some of the park's regulations on amplified sound.

As for the alcohol.... I foresee lots of plastic cups to get around that one.

Rant(Rave) On:

I'm shocked at all of you. Obviously never been to a rave :-). What does Las Vegas have a lot of, public land aka Desert. There isn't a crew out in Vegas that wouldn't co-host a rave some where out in the desert on public land. Rent a bus, you can't rent a bus for $2500.

They don't have drunk buses in Vegas? My brothers bachelor party is renting one here in Philly for the entire day/night until the wee hours of the morning to drive people from way out into the burbs to a Phillies game then to ummmmmm Day Dreams, an all night BYOB/Keg ummmm establishment. :-)

We had illegal parties in downtown SF and never got caught, in parks, on the beach, on the naval base, in shipping containers. I refuse to believe this isn't possible in Vegas.

SHAME ON YOU ALL!!!!! :-)

Time and effort people, that's all it takes.

Rant(Rave) Off:

xor

Ps Don't they have a big public lake out there close to the city.

[icetre]

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I have a friend that works at MGM/Mirage. He was surprised at the Riviera's antics.

He was surprised they were even enforcing that rule at a sub-event and even more so that the no food/booze clause is written on the check-in agreement. (I certainly think it's quite classy!)

It's not *all* hotels. I'm sure others would be willing to settle with a corkage fee similar to the fines that my party incurred and/or the Ninja's *cough* mafia payoff *cough* last year.

Not to be all, I told you so or nothing, but this is exactly what I was saying at DC14 when I got kicked square in the nuts. I wasn't worried about *my* party, but *all* of our parties! I bitched to EVERYONE trying to tell them the very dangerous precident that was being set. I was trying to do my part to help the convention to learn from the experience.

Some sympathized, but few actually seemed to do anything. I offered to stay and attend meetings with the hotel and defcon to explain what happened and/or smooth things out for next year... What did I get for my trouble and concern? Banned from hotel grounds for 'Unruly behavior' despite the fact that the hotel was 100% aware of what I intended to do.

This kinda says it all:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...

Honestly I think the best news I could hear is that we're hotel shopping again.

Im good with whatever people decide to do. I have no problem with the BYOB thing, but the whole situation is disturbing. I want to say I never imagined a hotel in Vegas would be so anal about things, but then I think about how many things went unnoticed or at least noticed without confrontation at the AP.

Last year many people were harassed for simply loitering in the main hallway downstairs, that is rather ridiculous. These are paying guests of a hotel, convention or not, and the hotel is going to yell at them rudely to move out of the hallway. If they think Im going to loiter at their bar they are mistaken.

I encountered security being total asses without any respect for guests, multiple times when people were doing absolutely nothing wrong.

[Dallas]

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For the record, the Bugsprayer was rarely noticed in a room, in a corner, and contained enough alcohol to kill most bugs. Its actually kinda hard to find one of those in vegas..

Anyone in Vegas able to checkout the bubble building to the right (facing the Riv), it always seemed like a good place to throw a party -- assuming its still standing. Checkout google maps and look to the right of the riv - sat view.

I have a friend that works at MGM/Mirage. He was surprised at the Riviera's antics.

He was surprised they were even enforcing that rule at a sub-event and even more so that the no food/booze clause is written on the check-in agreement. (I certainly think it's quite classy!)

It's not *all* hotels. I'm sure others would be willing to settle with a corkage fee similar to the fines that my party incurred and/or the Ninja's *cough* mafia payoff *cough* last year.

Not to be all, I told you so or nothing, but this is exactly what I was saying at DC14 when I got kicked square in the nuts. I wasn't worried about *my* party, but *all* of our parties! I bitched to EVERYONE trying to tell them the very dangerous precident that was being set. I was trying to do my part to help the convention to learn from the experience.

Some sympathized, but few actually seemed to do anything. I offered to stay and attend meetings with the hotel and defcon to explain what happened and/or smooth things out for next year... What did I get for my trouble and concern? Banned from hotel grounds for 'Unruly behavior' despite the fact that the hotel was 100% aware of what I intended to do.

This kinda says it all:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came...

Honestly I think the best news I could hear is that we're hotel shopping again.