Anyone remember this piece of door hardware?

[Deviant Ollam]

Re: Anyone remember this piece of door hardware?

OK, as if it weren't already well established, i'll just repeat my traditional assertion that you fucking rule, man. Heh, i'm not even the least bit perturbed at how your research yielded the fact that the product name was so unbelievably easy to remember that only my years of youthful indiscretion could have been cause for me to forget it.

The Door Club. That was exactly it. I've always been very interested in hardware like this and may recommend it to my parents (perhaps i'll tell the story as to how come in a little bit) or even pick one up myself.

I don't think it's crossing the line of the forum rules to state that I've always been interested in having a home that could withstand a brutal front-door attack... even the likes of which one might see by agents of the state as opposed to criminal assailants or intruders. (Would it be too political to state that maybe those terms are all too related if we're talking about no-knock warrants?)

Something appeals to me about the idea of police trying to pull a dead-of-night "knock and announce, two-second-delay, then kick the door in" technique only to be stymied. Wandering casually to the door, demanding that they slip their alleged warrant through the mail slot for me to consider and read over for a moment before manually opening the door... heh.

Of course, we're talking in hypotheticals here, given that...

(A) i'm not 100% sure it's legal to impede the cops in that manner (or is that merely a citizen showing diligence in establishing the fact that it is indeed real officers outside his or her residence) and

(B) My current home has a huge fucking window next to the door... not only positioned in a way that someone could smash it in and reach around to disable security products but also large enough to fully walk through as a point of entry anyway.

[streaker69]

Re: Anyone remember this piece of door hardware?

I seem to recall an episode of COPS where they were serving a warrant against a known hardened door. So they drove their armored assault vehicle up, attached a chain to it with a hook which they hammered through the door, and then hit the gas. Yanked the door and the frame out.

I'm not sure any method is going to stand up to that.

I've also seen footage of shooting through hinges using 12gauge sabo rounds.

Basically, if they want to get in, they're going to. Unless you build what I've always thought about building when I win the Lottery. :)

[Deviant Ollam]

Re: Anyone remember this piece of door hardware?

IBasically, if they want to get in, they're going to. Unless you build what I've always thought about building when I win the Lottery. :)

i'd be willing to bet that you and i have very, very similar dreams there, amigo.

[streaker69]

Re: Anyone remember this piece of door hardware?

i'd be willing to bet that you and i have very, very similar dreams there, amigo.

Does yours include it's own RADAR station for low flying aircraft and sniper nests?

[xor]

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You two could always purchase a used missile silo from the US government. Nothing like depleted uranium for security. Most of those will survive a near miss but not a direct hit. When you think about that fact, they are pretty amazing considering the white hot ball at the center of a nuclear detonation is hotter than the surface of the sun.

xor

I always liked the message the PD had on the end of the APC battering ram, Have a Nice Day.

[Thorn]

Re: Anyone remember this piece of door hardware?

You two could always purchase a used missile silo from the US government. Nothing like depleted uranium for security. Most of those will survive a near miss but not a direct hit. When you think about that fact, they are pretty amazing considering the white hot ball at the center of a nuclear detonation is hotter than the surface of the sun.

There are twelve retired silos around here, so I've studied the design and history a little bit. The type of "direct hit" they are designed to survive is an airburst of something like 25,000 feet. The thermal energy is brief. The most destructive force in thermo-nuclear airbursts is the air over-pressure. If the design can withstand the equivalent of 200 MPH winds, then they are considered to be capable of surviving a "direct hit".

[barry99705]

Re: Anyone remember this piece of door hardware?

There are twelve retired silos around here, so I've studied the design and history a little bit. The type of "direct hit" they are designed to survive is an airburst of something like 25,000 feet. The thermal energy is brief. The most destructive force in thermo-nuclear airbursts is the air over-pressure. If the design can withstand the equivalent of 200 MPH winds, then they are considered to be capable of surviving a "direct hit".

Yea, most nukes are designed to air burst anymore. Direct ground strikes of nuclear weapons kick up too much now radioactive crap into the air. Nothing survives a direct hit from a nuke. Most shelters are designed with the doors at a 90 to the tunnel leading to them so the overpressure passes by them instead of slamming into them. Speaking of missile silos, there's that one in upstate NY that is already converted. I think they wanted a couple million for it when it went up on ebay a year or so ago. I think the best lock I've seen on a residence was a 2X4 on custom built steel hooks on the door frame and the door itself. Nothing short of a car was going to open the door, or maybe a chainsaw. Though if they really want in, about nine feet of detcord will pretty much open any residence door.

[Thorn]

Re: Anyone remember this piece of door hardware?

Yea, most nukes are designed to air burst anymore. Direct ground strikes of nuclear weapons kick up too much now radioactive crap into the air. Nothing survives a direct hit from a nuke. Most shelters are designed with the doors at a 90 to the tunnel leading to them so the overpressure passes by them instead of slamming into them. Speaking of missile silos, there's that one in upstate NY that is already converted. I think they wanted a couple million for it when it went up on ebay a year or so ago. I think the best lock I've seen on a residence was a 2X4 on custom built steel hooks on the door frame and the door itself. Nothing short of a car was going to open the door, or maybe a chainsaw. Though if they really want in, about nine feet of detcord will pretty much open any residence door.

That's www.silohome.com. That's the furthest of the 12 from me, about 60 miles as the crow flies. It was on HGTV last Sunday morning. They did want $2M for it a couple of years ago.

[beakmyn]

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Sorry for the smart-ass remark Deviant (remind me to buy you a round at shmoocon). Too much work and cold medicine. There are other versions of this door club available however I see them as flawed. Granted they may resist a fair amount of force but unless you mount something in the floor for the rod besides the brass plate to distibute the forceI would think the plywood floor would give way before the door.

Then again if you have a deadbolt into solid framing with 3 inch screws holding the strike plate this would give you 2 strong resistance points.

Keep in mind that if someone is going to try and defeat the door the smart person would put the force near the doorknob.


It's made by the same people that make the club for cars
http://www.theclub.com/index.cfm/act...%20Club%99.htm

That site has the installation instructions also.

After stating the above and now reading the instructions I see that the kit comes with a subfloor plate (for added protection) and larger screws for the door hinges and lock strike plates.

Wood subfloor - Using a 3/4 inch wood bit, drill a vertical hole 2-1/2 inches deep. Note: For additional strength when installing the insert through plywood, you should install the subfloor plate. Pull the carpet back until plywood is visible. Align the subfloor plate hole with the insert hole you just drilled. Using the screws provided (#8 - 2 inch), attach the plate securely. Put carpet back
in place and proceed to next step
8< snip
Eight #10 x 2-1/2 inch case hardened screws are provided to reinforce hinges.
· At the top and bottom hinge, remove two screws from each hinge. One where it fastens
to into the frame, one where it attaches to door.

8< snip
Four #8 x 2-1/2 inch case hardened screws are provided to reinforce existing strike plates
at lockset and deadbolt (if applicable).
· Remove existing screws from strike plates.

[Deviant Ollam]

Re: Anyone remember this piece of door hardware?

Sorry for the smart-ass remark Deviant (remind me to buy you a round at shmoocon). Too much work and cold medicine.

heh, sorry if i over-reacted, man. I've been told by someone who knows your style of posting better than i do that you were sort of just being funny above. I had actually thought that you were just posting as if to say "yeah, i know this item. kthnxbye"

I'll take that round at shmoocon, just let me get the second one afterward.