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    What are those who used the hardware hacking village thoughts on how it was set up this year. Give us some feedback please for next years planning.

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    Re: HHV review

    Originally posted by bombnav View Post
    What are those who used the hardware hacking village thoughts on how it was set up this year. Give us some feedback please for next years planning.
    I spent about 30-45% of my total con time in HHV, and overall, I think it was fine. Table space was at a bit of a premium though.

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      Re: HHV review

      i spent pretty much the whole con there, outlets as usual were in short supply but overall we had a blast , got to meet a lot of good people .

      some of the soldering irons put out for everyone to use were probably more of a hinderance than a help, especially for people never doing it before, and i'm sure there is a bunch of us willing to give up some better ones for the new people to experiment with..

      i'd be happy to volunteer for next year to sit and teach people one on one, and i can bring in a variety of irons.

      i though dcflux did an excellent talk and could maybe be extended into a bigger how to/ hands on ? get some of the people who've never done the badge hack before getting involved in some basic hacks, perhaps some more designated teacher types ?

      it was interesting having some of the talks during hacking, but maybe next time a quick shout that the lights are going off :)

      but thanks a whole lot to the people who set it up, i'm already planning for next year.

      also if entirely possible, later than 6/6:30 closing, i realise this is probably just out of the org's hands.
      - Null Space Labs

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      • #4
        Re: HHV review

        Originally posted by charliex View Post
        also if entirely possible, later than 6/6:30 closing, i realise this is probably just out of the org's hands.
        it is out of the hands of people if there is a party in their skybox in the evening. and even if there isn't, i must say that hours any longer than what we saw this year are absolute murder on the village staff. at least that's how it is on our side of the wall... spending 90% of your time answering the same half dozen questions over and over and over and over can kill people pretty dead after about eight solid hours. while the most visual of the team members in all villages are likely doing more varied things, the support staff (who deserve so much praise and love) are almost dead on their feet when 6 PM rolls around.

        at that time you then shift into clean up mode (never before have i consistently seen the skyboxes open every morning on time, looking picture perfect, and with all gear back in proper positions.) so at least a full hour after the "official" close of a skybox the staff is still in there, doing grunt work and being interrupted every 60 seconds by con attendees sticking their heads in asking "how do i mod my Tivo" or "so what's with all this lockpicking type stuff... is that really possible like on the tee vee shows?"

        then after that they have to find a way to throw a meal into their face, shower, and maybe get to sit in their room quietly to collect their head for 15 to 30 minutes before getting dressed and meeting people for party planning.

        we've been doing things for a few years now in the LP Village and still don't have it perfect yet when it comes to organizing staff, schedules, gear, etc... i have no idea how the Hardware Hack people can pull off what they do so well... they have electricity and toxic fumes to contend with on top of everything else.

        great, great job all around. i had kicked around a proposal one afternoon with the people next door and perhaps they'll find it appealing... setting aside one hour on just one day when the villages get totally closed, and in this time the core team from HHV can come to LPV to have private lessons, then we all wander over to the other box and reverse the process. it's a shame to be next to you for 60+ hours and never really getting the chance to learn some of what you have to offer.
        "I'll admit I had an OiNK account and frequented it quite often… What made OiNK a great place was that it was like the world's greatest record store… iTunes kind of feels like Sam Goody to me. I don't feel cool when I go there. I'm tired of seeing John Mayer's face pop up. I feel like I'm being hustled when I visit there, and I don't think their product is that great. DRM, low bit rate, etc... OiNK it existed because it filled a void of what people want."
        - Trent Reznor

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        • #5
          Re: HHV review

          Originally posted by Deviant Ollam View Post
          great, great job all around. i had kicked around a proposal one afternoon with the people next door and perhaps they'll find it appealing... setting aside one hour on just one day when the villages get totally closed, and in this time the core team from HHV can come to LPV to have private lessons, then we all wander over to the other box and reverse the process. it's a shame to be next to you for 60+ hours and never really getting the chance to learn some of what you have to offer.
          I for one would really like that idea. I honestly have not had a chance to do anything more than a quick peak in at the LPV. The only time I've gotten LP time was at Shmoocon (which the help there was pretty kick ass) so to me, I'd love the idea of getting some time in at the LPV. Then maybe when the LPV guys come over to the HHV we can start working on the designs for that "sonic lock-imaging" device some of us joked about over the weekend
          afterburn

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          • #6
            Re: HHV review

            Thats a great idea, a lot of us were sitting talking about the LPV too, i'd be up for it.

            I figured the time constraints were just that, very long days for the volunteers and scheduling.
            - Null Space Labs

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            • #7
              Re: HHV review

              As one who saw the work put in, I want to first put in a great shout out to BombNav, and Ms BombNav who put in a whole days of soldering. They really put a ton of work in, and deserve a ton of recognition and appreciation for the work they did.

              A chance to sit down in LPV would be greatly appreciated, as I got to pop my head, and not a really chance to put my hands on anything.

              I am working up some ideas for next year, hopefully they will address a few of these points. Thanks for the input.
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              • #8
                Re: HHV review

                Had an awesome time in the HHV! I had a bit of a rough time soldering SMD 0402 components hung over w/ the soldering irons in there, but I'm bringing my own next year to solve that. The only thing that bothered me about the room is that nearly every time I'd get up to ask advice, grab a part real quick or w/e somebody would swoop in on the seat and start working on something right on top of my project... not a big deal, one of us always ended up moving, it was just a bit of a pain when trying to rush and cram as much as you can in the day before 6 rolls around. Everybody in there was really helpful, especially "Freescale Guy." I'll be back in there (and much more prepared) next year for sure! :D

                Cheers!

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                • #9
                  Re: HHV review

                  I would definitely have to say that things were done very well in the HHV. I spent many more hours there than I planned, partly due to kit assembly issues and partly due to enjoying what I was doing despite those issues. Since I brought none of my own tools and still ended up with a fully-functioning Propeller kit, I must say everyone did a great job of stocking things and helping get the new people going. A big thanks to bombnav (and Mrs.) and TieShort for getting me from start to finish through all the hiccups.

                  The only things that could be improved are the hardest to do: more irons with sharper tips, more space to work, better lighting at those spaces, and a longer weekend. I will definitely be bringing my own toolbox for next year so I can work after hours in my room. I didn't even get to badge hacking this year since I really wanted my kit working before I left such a great collection of talented, helpful people.

                  Not that it really belongs here, but in case anyone else ends up stuck on a non-functioning Propeller kit, here are the errata in those kit instructions that seemed to trap people:
                  • The second IC (the smaller one above the main chip) is shown upside down in the image; just align the one-pin marks and you will be fine.
                  • The crystal isn't shown as a step until after it magically shows up on the board. I am fairly certain you want it on there and mine works great with it in place.
                  • The USB header is attached upside down on the board in one of the pics. I doubted my SMT soldering abilities and redid them all to through-hole (and it still wasn't working) when bombnav told me about that little gem.

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                  • #10
                    Re: HHV review

                    I had as much fun helping assemble those kits. BTW you were only 1 of 2 that I saw doing the full SMT. Good Job on that. I have some ideas for next year now I just need to find a bag of cash to get it rolling. Lighting is def an issue esp with the talks and SMT. I will keep on the lookout for some lights througout the year as well as some irons. But the ghetto style we use is almost part of the fun, true hacked up stuff with what you have on hand. Heck we almost need a sponsor but with that comes issues that could take away from the spirt of the HHV.

                    LosT the SMT practice key chain was fantastic. Hopefully we can get that again next year as I think I must have help over 50 people or more do up one of those little gems.





                    Originally posted by codefodder View Post
                    I would definitely have to say that things were done very well in the HHV. I spent many more hours there than I planned, partly due to kit assembly issues and partly due to enjoying what I was doing despite those issues. Since I brought none of my own tools and still ended up with a fully-functioning Propeller kit, I must say everyone did a great job of stocking things and helping get the new people going. A big thanks to bombnav (and Mrs.) and TieShort for getting me from start to finish through all the hiccups.

                    The only things that could be improved are the hardest to do: more irons with sharper tips, more space to work, better lighting at those spaces, and a longer weekend. I will definitely be bringing my own toolbox for next year so I can work after hours in my room. I didn't even get to badge hacking this year since I really wanted my kit working before I left such a great collection of talented, helpful people.

                    Not that it really belongs here, but in case anyone else ends up stuck on a non-functioning Propeller kit, here are the errata in those kit instructions that seemed to trap people:
                    • The second IC (the smaller one above the main chip) is shown upside down in the image; just align the one-pin marks and you will be fine.
                    • The crystal isn't shown as a step until after it magically shows up on the board. I am fairly certain you want it on there and mine works great with it in place.
                    • The USB header is attached upside down on the board in one of the pics. I doubted my SMT soldering abilities and redid them all to through-hole (and it still wasn't working) when bombnav told me about that little gem.

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                    • #11
                      Re: HHV review

                      I spent a lot more time there than I was scheduled to, but it was time well spent. The layout was far better than last year, when I helped with some of the setup. More tables would be nice, but the standing room was also very important at times, especially when Phorkus was assisting with the PayPal stripdown and with Smitty's omnibadge demonstrations.

                      I was impressed by all of the volunteers including but not limited to, bombnav, afterburn188, Ryan, Smitty, and all others who I didn't get to speak too much.

                      Thanks to A and Phorkus for helping with the management of getting doors opened, closed, water, trash, projectors.

                      Thanks to Major Malfunction, DCFlux, and every other presenter who gave of their time and skill to enlighten us all.

                      Sorry to those who were soldering when the lights went out :)

                      Also thanks to scorche, afterburn188, and anyone else who donated hardware for use by HHV attendees.

                      Thanks also to Russ for, first, getting HHV established, then getting us more space.

                      Thanks also to DT, Charel, Teresa, Grifter, Joe Grand, LosT, and all others who had a hand in the concept, execution, and realization of the HHV for DC17.
                      #ut2600 / #dc-forums | EFNet

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                      • #12
                        Re: HHV review

                        I definitely think I'll be bringing the metcal, hot rework station, and a toaster oven modified to do SMT work for DC18. Especially if I have the opportunity to work on the DC18 badge (which would naturally mean bowing out of the hacking competition)...

                        The hardware hacking village was _great_ this year. Suggestions? Perhaps a simple cubby hole setup to store stuff (plastic bins) between days. We'll definitely need more space. Table space was at a premium this time around.

                        Oh, and the U shape was non-optimal. I think two or three rows of tables would be preferable to get maximum use of the room.

                        -Dr Volts

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                          Re: HHV review

                          Originally posted by martinbogo View Post
                          The hardware hacking village was _great_ this year. Suggestions? Perhaps a simple cubby hole setup to store stuff (plastic bins) between days. We'll definitely need more space. Table space was at a premium this time around.

                          Oh, and the U shape was non-optimal. I think two or three rows of tables would be preferable to get maximum use of the room.
                          The U shape was setup that way when we showed up on Friday morning. It's the same as it was the previous year. While maybe we could have fit two more tables to extend the U, I felt like this years setup was much nicer than last years and worked great. The open area was great for those who wanted to gather and talk and extension of the tables would be greatly shrink this. It also gave the desk furthest from the LPV room to have people crowd around (especially during any number of Smitty's much appreciated rants/lectures/musings). As for all the requests for irons with better tips, I personally think people should be a bit more grateful for what was brought. Many of the irons were volunteers and visitors own personal irons. I rarely heard anyone walking up and thanking the volunteers for using their nice irons which they opted to hold behind the desk, or even for the ones on the tables. A few people actually bought irons just to throw out on the table. If you want more irons then by all means please bring more out

                          Okay obligatory thanking post:

                          I would like to thank Hackajar and Vegas 2.0 for their gracious assistance in storing the left overs from this year. Even at the last minute the arrangement was made to make it possible for the supplies to carry over. Big thanks to MBI and all the others who donated the spare parts!

                          I would like to thank LosT, Russ, Grifter, etc who secured the HHV all the space it got. Having double the room was simply amazing. It made the village seem less like a sweat shop and more like a workshop.

                          I would like to thank A for his great organizational skills in pulling all the volunteers together and keeping the village running.

                          I would like to thank Kampf and Phorkus for being great goons and donating their time. Kampf - you kept things amusing even during the down times. What ever happened to the giant cap from the camera flash? Thanks for organizing and taking care of all the impromptu talks! Phorkus thanks for facilitating the Paypal stripping demo, it was truly something unique and unexpected to see! You made sure that the village stayed alive and kicking.

                          Big thanks goes to Bombnav and Ryan for bringing all the supplies and tools they did. Thanks to LosT who donated the started boards. Between the three contribution I watched happily as many a youngster came up and soldered for the first time. There was a very young kid who came up to Ryan on the first day with his dad after purchasing the kit that was for sale and asked for help getting started. His dad was a software guy so the group got the two of them started. We saw the two of them every single day and each day the kids just absorbed more and more. It was things like that which made volunteering worth every moment.

                          Finally a huge thanks to SugarDaddy, TieShort and his BlackBoxs, Smitty and his uber uber badge, Bombnav and his SMT soldering wife, VoltageSpike and his Radio Shack kits, and to Ryan and his endless supply of random things. Without all of you the time spent at the HHV would not have been as good. Many great memories, happy to see familiar faces and great to make new friends. You all made my con experience a great one and I look forward to working with you all again next year.

                          Please people, if you see any of these people, buy them a beer! They really went out of their way to make sure your experience was one to remember.
                          Last edited by afterburn188; August 5, 2009, 19:24. Reason: edit
                          afterburn

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                          • #14
                            Re: HHV review

                            I didn't get to spent as much time in the HHV as I would have liked, but the time I was in there I was pretty impressed with the setup. A vast improvement over last year.
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                            • #15
                              Re: HHV review

                              I also want to echo how fantastic HHV was this year. I think everyone there was willing to share bits and tools, which was pretty damn cool. I don't know if it is possible, but the black linens on the table seemed to just get destroyed, while the tables underneath look like they are meant to be a workspace. Is it necessary to have the linens on them? I saw a few moments when someones project was moved by the person on the other side accidentally pulling the linen. If it saves Defcon money, leave them off the main workstations, and maybe just keep them on the tables near the first door for the tutoring folks? Of course it could be the Riv's policy so ignore me if that's the case. :)

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