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  • #46
    Re: Calling All Female Hackers

    Let me just say that I am not a hacker... more like a nerd who likes to find technical maneuvers to circumvent things, whatever it might be..ie finding ways around bugs in a games, legalities that make no sense, or even using someone's words against themselves. Again, Im not a hacker, but I am a female, so maybe I can add to what the ladies have said.

    As far as conventions go, defcon is definitely not the smelliest I have been to, regardless of the fact that its population is 98% male. Try going to an anime convention during the summer in Texas if you want to compare the difference in massive crowd odor. Anime freaks make costumes out of the most unbreathable plastic like material they can find, wear it all weekend, and skip bathing. At other cons you can walk into a room and instantly be overwhelmed by body odor. Not once did this happen to me at DC... wait the HHV did have a funny smell to it, but Im thinking thats the smell of the hot irons at work. ; ) And by the way, the attractiveness factor of men at defcon is much higher than at gaming conventions. Let me say that again....Hackers are hot.

    I did pick up on the number of guys that seemed to be uber grateful that a female was talking to them, but again that is not unique to defcon, and in fact is much worse at anime or gaming conventions. This occurs is very small numbers and on a more personal and individual level.

    This might sound like I'm contradicting myself, but the opposite seems to be true of groups of guys. When there are large gatherings where the population is mostly male, I do find that being a female can get you ignored or even treated badly. In the case of gaming conventions or video game conferences, sometimes I feel that I get ignored. Even trying to break into a nearby conversation when not part of the group seems impossible. I have a friend who once got turned away for a board game at a con, and minutes later her boyfriend was invited. Its like the boys go all "doe in the headlights" when they see a girl. What sucks about this attitude is that its generally more wide spread and happens in larger groups.

    This is how Defcon is different. DC has a tight knit group feel without the "go away, boys only" attitude. I'll say that I've made some really good friends at defcon, some of who I talk to almost daily. I think defcon is what you make of it. I went to the lock picking village and learned valuable lessons. Someone who was just standing buy noticed that I was having a hard time and demonstrated how it was done. I have to admit that I might not have gotten helped out if it weren't for the inadvertent "damsel in distress" factor...but Im kind of thankful for that. I was actually kind of surprised at how easy it was to talk to people at defcon....Overall I would say that con goers at DC were amazingly social.....a hell of a lot more open to social interaction than hackers like to give themselves credit for.

    I hope this isnt hijacking the thread, but....The one thing I wish I could get over at defcon is my fear of other girls. I've always been the one girl in the "boy's club", so mingling with other females is hard for me... especially since I dont like fashion, clothes, shoes, or pretty much anything girly. So combine that with the fact that I know everyone at defcon is so much smarter than me, and the intimidation factor for interacting with other girls at defcon goes through the roof. In fact, I pretty much avoided the females at my last defcon...Do any other girls out there find it hard initiate interaction with another female?
    Last edited by faye; October 6, 2009, 17:16.

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    • #47
      Re: Calling All Female Hackers

      Originally posted by faye View Post
      ...Do any other girls out there find it hard initiate interaction with another female?
      Nope just you.
      "Haters, gonna hate"

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      • #48
        Re: Calling All Female Hackers

        Yeah probably. I really need to get over that. The ladies I actually did get to meet at defcon were cool as hell.

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        • #49
          Re: Calling All Female Hackers

          Originally posted by faye View Post
          I hope this isnt hijacking the thread, but....The one thing I wish I could get over at defcon is my fear of other girls. I've always been the one girl in the "boy's club", so mingling with other females is hard for me... especially since I dont like fashion, clothes, shoes, or pretty much anything girly. So combine that with the fact that I know everyone at defcon is so much smarter than me, and the intimidation factor for interacting with other girls at defcon goes through the roof. In fact, I pretty much avoided the females at my last defcon...Do any other girls out there find it hard initiate interaction with another female?
          I do find it hard to initiate interactions with other 'non-geeky' females, because I never know what to talk about to them because I can't talk about children, or fashion or other things that people consider to be 'girly'. Then again by the same token, I can't really talk to non-geeky males. I don't have any idea what to talk to them about either, it just seems that most of the time it is easier to find group of geeky men than geeky women, but I could just be looking in the wrong places as I have an amazing group of smart women in the city I live in that I am lucky enough that get to call my friends - but I have a hard time finding that same sort of group of women when I am other places.

          I'd love if you came and say hi to me at the next DEFCON, Faye. I promise that I am not smarter than you and I promise not to make you talk about shoes. ;)

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          • #50
            Re: Calling All Female Hackers

            Originally posted by Ne0nRa1n View Post
            I do find it hard to initiate interactions with other 'non-geeky' females, because I never know what to talk about to them because I can't talk about children, or fashion or other things that people consider to be 'girly'. Then again by the same token, I can't really talk to non-geeky males. I don't have any idea what to talk to them about either, it just seems that most of the time it is easier to find group of geeky men than geeky women, but I could just be looking in the wrong places as I have an amazing group of smart women in the city I live in that I am lucky enough that get to call my friends - but I have a hard time finding that same sort of group of women when I am other places.

            I'd love if you came and say hi to me at the next DEFCON, Faye. I promise that I am not smarter than you and I promise not to make you talk about shoes. ;)
            Its a date. Only 295 days to go!

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            • #51
              Re: Calling All Female Hackers

              I'm not knowledgeable enough to be categorized as a hacker yet, but I'm trying to learn what I can. And I'm definitely a little geek. Anyways, I know how it is to not be able to really approach other chicks and to have absolutely nothing in common with them. If (some, not all) guys have a hard time accepting that a chick can be smart/geeky/hacker/gamer/whatever then other chicks, particularly of the bleach coated bimbo variety, definitely have a hard time dealing. I've literally met other chicks who were jealous of me, embarrassed to hang out with me, or who spread rumors about me just because they didn't like the fact that I'm smart and a geek. I've had cases where my mind got more attention from guys than the other chicks ASSets did, even though they were whoring for attention and I was just being a geek. I get nasty glares all the time from chicks who check out my husband (he's totally hot) then have their hopes bludgeoned when they realize I'm with him. Yah, I'm ugly, short, pasty, thin, and I don't dress for attention, but they have to realize that some guys value IQ over bra size. This is why I gave up trying to befriend other chicks. I haven't had any experiences meeting hacker/geek chicks in real life, just online. I'm sure I could be friends with some of you girls if we were to meet in real life. But this is the internet, and for all I know, everyone here is a unicorn or a nematode.
              "Why is it drug addicts and computer afficionados are both called users? " - Clifford Stoll

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              • #52
                Re: Calling All Female Hackers

                Maybe we should all go out for lunch at the next DC. I think that would be awesome. ^.^

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                • #53
                  Re: Calling All Female Hackers

                  Conversation over yumyums is a good way to get to know people. Who wants cheesecake?
                  "Why is it drug addicts and computer afficionados are both called users? " - Clifford Stoll

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                  • #54
                    Re: Calling All Female Hackers

                    Originally posted by Deviant Ollam View Post
                    ... the way it made everyone else in the Lockpick Village tent a bit ...
                    The tent in there... very graphic, no?
                    I love how I simply snipped a bit leaving the rest of Deviant's comment as it was and now everyone gets to enjoy the image I had when reading that comment the first time

                    As to the sexy / smart issue. I don't really see an issue at all:
                    smart == sexy

                    Of course I enjoy looking at a good looking girl in a great outfit too but at the end of the day I want to still be interested after I have said "hi" and she opens her mouth... must say that there was NO shortage of sexy women at Defcon this year... well there are never enough either...

                    Girls bring your friends next year please
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                    • #55
                      Re: Calling All Female Hackers

                      Originally posted by Rewt Daemon View Post
                      The tent in there... very graphic, no?
                      I love how I simply snipped a bit leaving the rest of Deviant's comment as it was and now everyone gets to enjoy the image I had when reading that comment the first time
                      Yeah. Thats what I thought I saw the first time too...was about to ask what he meant by "everyone else"? lol

                      Originally posted by Rewt Daemon View Post
                      Girls bring your friends next year please

                      I plan to. 2 or 3 of them actually... Do ya think defcon can handle a cluster of giggling girls? We will no doubt have loads of fun and laughter, as defcon seems to be one big party.

                      ...if not I can leave them at home. hehe

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                      • #56
                        Re: Calling All Female Hackers

                        I vote for nematode. I know I don't want to be a unicorn. Farting rainbows all the time gets pretty damn old.
                        "They-Who-Were-Google are no longer alone. Now we are all Google."

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                          • #58
                            Re: Calling All Female Hackers

                            Is there some particular reason you are posting links to your blog without adding content to threads all over the forums?
                            "They-Who-Were-Google are no longer alone. Now we are all Google."

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                              • #60
                                Re: Calling All Female Hackers

                                Originally posted by 6_Bl4ck9_f0x6 View Post
                                To avoid these kind of things:

                                https://forum.defcon.org/showthread.php?t=10873

                                Don't send reply, plz...

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                                What people questioning what something is and you flaming them in return sounds like a good choice. While i can't police things im pretty sure if your not going to add anything constructive to an old post its best not to try to revive it. In this case you have revived many year old posts for what to post your blog in them? I'm not sure what if anything was constructively added.

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