Research on Cyber Warfare

[AgentDarkApple]

Re: Research on Cyber Warfare

Duck & cover

xor

Haha, uh oh, now what?

[valkyrie]

Re: Research on Cyber Warfare

Haha, uh oh, now what?

me laughs/ he says that because he is a 'tard. ;-) He likes to annoy people. especially me.

Ok, now let's go to it...

valkyrie, thanks for the input on the title, and the book you suggested earlier has proven to be helpful. I can assure you I am NOT a tool or panderer.

can you now?

I could care less what anybody THINKS, and I am far from being a people pleaser. The only reason I care so much about whether or not the teacher likes the title is because chicks often take things at face value.

Then you do care. And you are a people pleaser. I only mention this because inconsistency really annoys me.

Whether or not she likes the title will set her mood while grading my paper. If she’s having a PMS week and is a tough grader or doesn’t agree with my perspective, she might still think “Ah, but the title was catchy, so she still gets an A.” I have had finicky professors like that in the past, both male and female. I need to do well in her class particularly, because she teaches at least two other courses that I must take. In other words, this woman could make my life a living hell if she were so inclined.

Ummmm. ok. You state why you care? Why do your really care? Ohhhhh! It's the grade you care about, not perhaps having something actually relevant to state. Got it.

And the reason I care about input here in the forums is that I know some of you guys aren’t just telling me what you THINK but what you KNOW - and it’s a heck of a lot more than I’m going to learn just by taking a class. I’m the first to admit that I’m the researcher, not the expert. I’m up for learning whatever you guys can teach me

Do me a favor? Don't pick my brain for your class or to impress some insanely egotistical professor? Pick my brain because you care about my topic. But then you probably don't even know what that is, and I don't really care if you do.

I am mildly offended. If you cannot figure out why, go back and read your posts and read mine and read those of others. You began well and then it all seemed to me to go down hill from there. Yours and others MMV.

regards,

Valkyrie
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[Thorn]

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Thorn, now I’m fully aware that using “cyberwarfare” doesn’t really cut it around here. Unfortunately, the term is being pushed in some of my classes. Which makes me think a couple of my professors need to look beyond the textbooks and academic articles -that’s exactly what I am trying to do by asking for advice here :)

Believe me, I understand that you might need to tailor the title for the academic world. One of my brothers is a professor, and I've never seen more ass-kissing than in academia. Plus making the title conform to the audience's expectations does make it more palatable for some people. It's just that cyber* as a term is just one of those things that can get me into a rant.

As far as this particular professor goes though, based on the fact she was in law enforcement, I'd surprised that she'd be that close minded in the choice of the term. Anyone who actually spent in time in law enforcement should have a finally tuned BS detector, and she should know the term is farcical. Either that or her LEO credentials are completely bogus.

[xor]

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So I guess we can all agree, that the word "cyber", should be removed from the English vocabulary when referencing Information Warfare....?

"So let it be UN-written. So let it be done."

xor

[streaker69]

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So I guess we can all agree, that the word "cyber", should be removed from the English vocabulary when referencing Information Warfare....?

"So let it be UN-written. So let it be done."

xor

Notation made in the Cyber-Diary of the internet of the current status of the word cyber in the cyber-dictionary.

[xor]

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Notation made in the Cyber-Diary of the internet of the current status of the word cyber in the cyber-dictionary.

I will let the chief "cybrarian" of the "Cyberbrary of Congress" know to make the changes.

bloody hell

quoted words out of 19th edition of the Newton's Telecom Dictionary.

xor

PS I can hear Thorn retching

me laughs/ he says that because he is a 'tard. ;-) He likes to annoy people. especially me.

Tard...? That's cybercad to you

[AgentDarkApple]

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Ummmm. ok. You state why you care? Why do your really care? Ohhhhh! It's the grade you care about, not perhaps having something actually relevant to state. Got it.

Academic situations are my one exception to not caring. I care that the TITLE is catchy as far as setting a good tone for the grade. As for the rest of the paper, I am deviating from what is in the text books and academic journals and going after it from the more accurate but lesser-known angle that people on this forum have shed light on. The whole point in asking the question on here is to find accurate, relevant stuff, as I'm interested in this topic beyond just this paper. I'm willing to share the research too, not just hoard it.

Your posts are a good example of how females can be overly critical at the slightest thing. A fine illustration of why I dread writing a paper for a female professor.

[valkyrie]

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Academic situations are my one exception to not caring. I care that the TITLE is catchy as far as setting a good tone for the grade. As for the rest of the paper, I am deviating from what is in the text books and academic journals and going after it from the more accurate but lesser-known angle that people on this forum have shed light on. The whole point in asking the question on here is to find accurate, relevant stuff, as I'm interested in this topic beyond just this paper. I'm willing to share the research too, not just hoard it.

Your posts are a good example of how females can be overly critical at the slightest thing. A fine illustration of why I dread writing a paper for a female professor.

/me rolls over laughing. What a pathetic excuse. Thank you!

regards,

valkyrie
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[AgentDarkApple]

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Now that your ego has been satisfied, can we stay on topic?

[Dark Tangent]

Re: Research on Cyber Warfare

Now that your ego has been satisfied, can we stay on topic?

I agree, let's stick to the topic and not clutter the thread up.

I've often wondered why the term 'cyber security' got so popular. I find myself in the same situation with the DHS, being conflicted about the catch-all term. A lot of people use it as a short hand, catch all phrase. It is shorter than saying Information assurance / network security / information security / application security / whatever.

Much like "hacker" got appropriated by the mainstream press to esentiall become short hand for "malicious criminal" in the late '90s, Cyber has already stuck. It is here to stay, for better or worse.

Cyber Security, Cyber war, Cyber Coordinator, Cyber Command. The cat is out of the bag, jumped the shark, and down the rabbit hole.

[sintax_error]

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Cyber Security, Cyber war, Cyber Coordinator, Cyber Command. The cat is out of the bag, jumped the shark, and down the rabbit hole.

You man the Cybercat is out of the Cyberbag, jumped the Cybershark, and down the Cyberrabbit-hole... Sorry, Thorn, had to.

But in all seriousness. DarkAgentApple, the title should be the least of your concerns with your paper. As long as the research is sound and the content is up to par, you really shouldn't be worried about the sex of your teacher or the opinions of anyone on these or any forums. Focus more on what you want to get across. That's pretty much as on topic as I want to stay at the moment.

[renderman]

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Unless the instructor is a total douche, the ability to make a solid argument backed up with facts and not fear mongering bullshit should be accepted even if the ideas contained inside are against the current thinking.

You can have a thesis stating that there is no risk from warfare and that the only result of such attacks would be fields of happy bunnies frolicking in the sunshine being spontaneously created. So long as your thesis is backed up with concrete facts regarding bunny affinity for network backbone saturation and the electromagnetic fields created as it relates to the the quantum state of bunnies and their ability to be spontaneously created or duplicated upon interaction with those electromagnetic fields.

Make sure to include relevant weather data and forecasts for the expected area of the attack that can accurately predict the chance of it being a sunny day (taking into account the time of day of the attack since you can't have bunnies frolicking in the sunshine at night)

Yes, in fact I did such a report. Yes, I passed. Yes, I got asked to never do that again.

You should see some of the reports I write for clients and the subtle arguments about why their network is run by 4 year olds.

The idea is that you need to present the facts as you see them and not try to conform to their expectation. If done well and the instructor is not some conformist prick, they will evaluate you based on the arguments and facts presented, no matter how absurd seeming.

Render

[AgentDarkApple]

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I agree, let's stick to the topic and not clutter the thread up.

I've often wondered why the term 'cyber security' got so popular...

Cyber has already stuck. It is here to stay, for better or worse.

Cyber Security, Cyber war, Cyber Coordinator, Cyber Command. The cat is out of the bag, jumped the shark, and down the rabbit hole.

I am trying to find out exactly who is credited with first using "cyber warfare" - I'm guessing it definitely wasn't an expert...or at least not an expert in the computer and network security field. I'm thinking maybe some military guy came up with it...or a journalist. Hopefully as I sift through all those sources, I'll find out



sintax_error & renderman - I hope my prof is an objective grader, as I try to be objective when writing my papers. I guess past experiences with loony teachers has left me a bit scarred.

[HighWiz]

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Deriding the word "cyber"

Honestly, everyone can keep fighting about not using the term, but DT is right. The word is here to stay. So, we can either keep arguing about the term till we're blue in the face and expend all our energy doing that or begrudgingly accept it, and put forth the energy in educating people on protect themselves.

Personally I'll choose the later.

I can assure you I am NOT a tool or panderer. I could care less what anybody THINKS, and I am far from being a people pleaser. The only reason I care so much about whether or not the teacher likes the title is because chicks often take things at face value. Whether or not she likes the title will set her mood while grading my paper. If she’s having a PMS week and is a tough grader or doesn’t agree with my perspective, she might still think “Ah, but the title was catchy, so she still gets an A.” I have had finicky professors like that in the past, both male and female. I need to do well in her class particularly, because she teaches at least two other courses that I must take. In other words, this woman could make my life a living hell if she were so inclined. And the reason I care about input here in the forums is that I know some of you guys aren’t just telling me what you THINK but what you KNOW - and it’s a heck of a lot more than I’m going to learn just by taking a class. I’m the first to admit that I’m the researcher, not the expert. I’m up for learning whatever you guys can teach me.

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Wow, in case you haven't figured it out by now, that's a total douchebag thing to say.

I am mildly offended.

Then he should have a long way to go, before you become truly upset! He/she/it may be (probably is) a total and utter tool, but don't initiate a public flogging over a title or the usage of the term "cyber". Especially when there are so many other reasons to rip him/her/it apart.

The title is simply being used to "draw in the reader".

As far as this particular professor goes though, based on the fact she was in law enforcement, I'd surprised that she'd be that close minded in the choice of the term. Anyone who actually spent in time in law enforcement should have a finally tuned BS detector, and she should know the term is farcical. Either that or her LEO credentials are completely

bogus.

"Working in Law Enforcement" (which is what he initially said) can mean a lot of things. My guess would be that the scope of her involvement was a "consultant" to the upper echelons of an organization.

Your posts are a good example of how females can be overly critical at the slightest thing. A fine illustration of why I dread writing a paper for a female professor.

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That's two!

Georgia was going to be an example. I'm not sure if I can narrow the title down to

"Information Warfare and the Threat of Internet based Terrorism" because I might throw in something about UAVs/drones or using nanotech - then again, I might end up with enough that I don't need to mention those.

Define your fucking topic. Don't be overly broad and try to cover everything and the kitchen sink.

Go read the GhostNet report.

And don't be a douche...

[AgentDarkApple]

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Wow, in case you haven't figured it out by now, that's a total douchebag thing to say.

...

Define your fucking topic. Don't be overly broad and try to cover everything and the kitchen sink.

I'm a chick as well. I simply have no tolerance for the majority of other chicks and their finicky ways.

I've reached a more focused topic now (I included a rough outline in another post). When I wrote the post you were referencing, I was in the first few days of research - at that point I was not sure what exactly to include.