Research on Cyber Warfare

[streaker69]

Re: Research on Cyber Warfare

lol. touche. A bit more blunt than I stated but I cant argue your statement valkyrie. Gotta admit though, when someone speaks at over 100 functions they're bound to learn quite a bit. In fact probably more than the average individual who isn't familiar with speaking at a similar amount of engagements. So as one speaks their knowledge will progressively get better. 100 engagements is pretty good. Someone who has that amount of experience will most likely gain an amount of knowledge greater than both you and I (unless they are completely obtuse). Should we be so arrogant as to say the quality of her speakings were not sufficient?

I think your reasoning is flawed. Someone who speaks at 100 engagements may just be good at speaking and not actually be learning anything. They'll get progressively better at speaking their own knowledge, but may not actually learn anything new about whatever they're speaking about. I think Algore is a perfect example of this.

[Decrevi]

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I think your reasoning is flawed. Someone who speaks at 100 engagements may just be good at speaking and not actually be learning anything. They'll get progressively better at speaking their own knowledge, but may not actually learn anything new about whatever they're speaking about. I think Algore is a perfect example of this.

lol @ using Al Gore. OK Im stumped lol. I have found though that when speaking people tend to challenge the speaker. This usually prompts the speaker to learn more or at least gain enough knowledge to defend against those challenges in the future. Which basically means they learn as they speak at more events.

But who knows lol, maybe that reasoning is flawed. Its what Ive seen so far though. Good post btw streaker69

[g3k_]

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lol @ using Al Gore. OK Im stumped lol. I have found though that when speaking people tend to challenge the speaker. This usually prompts the speaker to learn more or at least gain enough knowledge to defend against those challenges in the future. Which basically means they learn as they speak at more events.

But who knows lol, maybe that reasoning is flawed. Its what Ive seen so far though. Good post btw streaker69

Like streaker69 said + depends on the audience. If you give a presentation to people who don't question things (like executives) all you are doing is flexing your speaking skills. If you are speaking to a crowd that challenges you, then you learn something on top of flexing your speaking skills, etc.

Also, not to be combative, but I learned a while ago that people stop taking you seriously when you put 'lol' throughout your posts. It makes you seem kind of childish.

Now, back on topic: AgentDarkApple, what I've read of your paper is amazing so far, I'm going between it and work. Once I get a chance to finish it, I'll edit this post with feedback :)

[AgentDarkApple]

Re: Research on Cyber Warfare

As far as I know, my professor isn't "frontin". Since it's an online class we use a discussion board for interactivity, and her input and thought-provoking questions have always been enlightening. She wants to make sure we actually understand the material, so I'd hope she holds herself to the same standard when researching and preparing her speeches/presentations. Since this class was on Information Assurance, we didn't get into a lot of in-depth stuff, but I look forward to taking her Cyber Crime and Computer Forensics classes later.

Hahaha @ the Gore thing - I'd have so much to say about that if political discussions weren't banned here. But from a treehugger standpoint (I'm a high tech environmentalist, go figure), the top things he can do to show he has learned something from his own book are to ditch his cattle ranch (cow farts contribute to pollution, you know) and his huge mansion (power hog much?).

[Decrevi]

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Like streaker69 said + depends on the audience. If you give a presentation to people who don't question things (like executives) all you are doing is flexing your speaking skills. If you are speaking to a crowd that challenges you, then you learn something on top of flexing your speaking skills, etc.

Also, not to be combative, but I learned a while ago that people stop taking you seriously when you put 'lol' throughout your posts. It makes you seem kind of childish.

Now, back on topic: AgentDarkApple, what I've read of your paper is amazing so far, I'm going between it and work. Once I get a chance to finish it, I'll edit this post with feedback :)

cheers mate. ill keep that point about lol in mind

[streaker69]

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Hahaha @ the Gore thing - I'd have so much to say about that if political discussions weren't banned here. But from a treehugger standpoint (I'm a high tech environmentalist, go figure), the top things he can do to show he has learned something from his own book are to ditch his cattle ranch (cow farts contribute to pollution, you know) and his huge mansion (power hog much?).

Please say you're coming to shmoo, we need to talk about these ideas.

[valkyrie]

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lol. touche. A bit more blunt than I stated but I cant argue your statement valkyrie. Gotta admit though, when someone speaks at over 100 functions they're bound to learn quite a bit. In fact probably more than the average individual who isn't familiar with speaking at a similar amount of engagements. So as one speaks their knowledge will progressively get better. 100 engagements is pretty good. Someone who has that amount of experience will most likely gain an amount of knowledge greater than both you and I (unless they are completely obtuse). Should we be so arrogant as to say the quality of her speakings were not sufficient?

Lots of dead heads speak at over a 100 engagements. Whether they are bound to learn or not is subjective. Your assumption that as one speaks one's knowledge grows is also subjective. As is your assumption that "they most likely will gain an amount of knowledge greater than both you and I." I am not arrogant because I have not heard the woman speak in person. I just seek wisdom. I have one mouth and two ears. I choose to use the ears and not buy the hype. Your mileage, however, may vary.

regards,

valkyrie
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[Decrevi]

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Lots of dead heads speak at over a 100 engagements. Whether they are bound to learn or not is subjective. Your assumption that as one speaks one's knowledge grows is also subjective. As is your assumption that "they most likely will gain an amount of knowledge greater than both you and I." I am not arrogant because I have not heard the woman speak in person. I just seek wisdom. I have one mouth and two ears. I choose to use the ears and not buy the hype. Your mileage, however, may vary.

regards,

valkyrie
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sapere aude

If you would have taken the time to do the research that I did you too would know that this particular instructor is a PHD and teaches at multiple colleges so She's probably not a "dead head". I see you are keen and quick to display your stubborn personality by fighting my statement but frankly I'm tired of conversing with you so this will be my last post to this particular article. I was just trying to compliment the lady but you wanted to make a big deal out of it. Not quite sure why. Maybe its in your nature. Well I wish you the best and I'm sure our paths will cross in a later post. Until then, take care and I look forward to our future witty confrontations.

[valkyrie]

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If you would have taken the time to do the research that I did you too would know that this particular instructor is a PHD and teaches at multiple colleges so She's probably not a "dead head". I see you are keen and quick to display your stubborn personality by fighting my statement but frankly I'm tired of conversing with you so this will be my last post to this particular article. I was just trying to compliment the lady but you wanted to make a big deal out of it. Not quite sure why. Maybe its in your nature. Well I wish you the best and I'm sure our paths will cross in a later post. Until then, take care and I look forward to our future witty confrontations.

I didn't need to. PHD in most cases means one cannot get a job IRL. As for my stubborn personality? I glory in it, so you are not making me feel badly about that. You don't have to converse with me. This is an open forum. No, I did not wish to make a big deal of it. You did. I merely challenged your assumptions. Thank you. I am truly blessed by reasonable people in my life who check my often far flung loftiness. I love it when I get a smack down. In this case, yours if feeble I feel no effect.
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Regards,

valkyrie
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sapere aude

[HighWiz]

Re: Research on Cyber Warfare

The paper can be found here http://public.me.com/agentdarkapple. Obviously, it's the file named InformationWarfare.doc. I will likely begin posting my completed and graded papers there to share with whomever is interested.

It's not a bad paper.

[TheCotMan]

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Forked topic from within this thread on the merits of a speaker are pruned and moved over to This Thread. It appears to be a new topic, specific mention of a political figure by name is provided, comments related to politics, and the beginning of what could be flaming make it prudent to move the post to /dev/random.

Some posts were copied to allow the forked thread to be understood, in the context that the new discussion was forked. Many posts near the end were just moved instead of being copied.

This thread can go back to the topic at hand, "research on Cyber Warfare," and the paper provided.

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Thanks!

[valkyrie]

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Forked topic from within this thread on the merits of a speaker are pruned and moved over to This Thread. It appears to be a new topic, specific mention of a political figure by name is provided, comments related to politics, and the beginning of what could be flaming make it prudent to move the post to /dev/random.

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Thank you. My early comments had more to do with the writer rather than the reviewer. AgentDarkApple, I peeked at your other paper but will not give any private or public comments. Keep doing what you are doing. If your next papers are anything like your paper on Information Warefare, I will be interested in reading them.

Regards,

valkyrie
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[streaker69]

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Forked topic from within this thread on the merits of a speaker are pruned and moved over to This Thread. It appears to be a new topic, specific mention of a political figure by name is provided, comments related to politics, and the beginning of what could be flaming make it prudent to move the post to /dev/random.

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Cot, It was not my intention to move the topic into politics, as you know that I know better than that. It was the only name that I could think of to make the point that speaking publicly does not increase knowledge.

Apologies all around if anyone was offended.

[TheCotMan]

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Cot, It was not my intention to move the topic into politics, as you know that I know better than that. It was the only name that I could think of to make the point that speaking publicly does not increase knowledge.

Apologies all around if anyone was offended.

No worries man and no warnings at all to you or AgentDarkApple. Your post wasn't "too" political. The follow-up message from AgentDarkApple did provide more political topics, but the post from you and AgentDarkApple later made it clear that you two had no intention of discussing politics here, so if that was the end of it, i would have made no comment. However, several other items came up later in the thread, and "Al Gore" came up more, so I just decided to bunch them all together and provide commentary in /dev/random. It didn't go to /dev/null, as there is some value in the forked discussion: make a false claim, or a claim based on faulty logic, and expect to get called on it.

I think the rest of the mods, really take into consideration the contributions that users make to the forums when enforcing the rules. Because of this, many small things are overlooked from long-time contributors with a really good history on the forums. This doesn't mean positive contributions provide excuse to break rules, but I think we tend to consider user's histories before making a decision. Additionally, every time we act to enforce the rules, we risk disrupting the discussions in thread on the forums.

Much of how rules are enforced has to do with the character of the people involved. Most of the people with a great history on the forums learn from mistakes and move on. Geeks nerds and hackers all seem to do that. They seem to learn from their own mistakes, or the mistakes of others, and move forward. Good examples can be found in this thread where people provided constructive criticism to others, and they learned. The forked thread includes examples of failure to accept mistakes, "as-is," but instead try to defend a position that can't rationally be defended.

People learn or they don't.

Back to the topic of the paper:

I read it. It is a good general summary of several generic topics in the area of "Cyber Warfare." Thanks for sharing. From what was described as t he objective, it looks like you have met the requirements for your paper, and you will probably receive a good grade on it. (This is not statued with sarcasm. This comment is genuine.)

[Decrevi]

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Duck & cover

xor

Yes Xor is right and I can say I now know this from experience.

ps.. my apologies to AgentDarkApple for using up a bunch of space on her post for off topic material.