Recent Events - Airplane Bathroom Cameras

[streaker69]

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...Of course, we believe that the people that work for the TSA will always behave in the most professional and mature manner.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...06101tsa1.html

"The X-ray revealed that [Negrin] has a small penis and co-workers made fun of him on a daily basis," reported cops.

[barry99705]

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Cue shocked disbelief in 3...2...1:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/exposed-...irculated.html

I hate to say this, but pics or it didn't happen. I honestly don't believe the story and was expecting Bat Boy on one of the site's pages.

[streaker69]

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Cue shocked disbelief in 3...2...1:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/exposed-...irculated.html

[xor]

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How does making a false accusation as a "joke" when the officer knows it's patently false help the TSA test anything? If you're talking about having a blind test of the officer, and using an innocent subject as bait (i.e. a double blind) that may have some validity on paper, but a failure on the part of the security forces can still lead to bad consequences for the innocent party.

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/fligh...airplane_N.htm

I do see your point, for example, picking a person who has an undiagnosed heart condition, and from the stress of being accused, drops dead as a result.

You could hire actors do to this. People who can cry on cue, stuff like that. Actors however cost money, and it comes back again to people wanting everything, and not wanting to either participate, or pay for it.

Perhaps the lesson that needs to be learned by everyone is there are no guarantees, no matter how hard you try you can't predict peoples behavior. A psychologist friend of mine told me that she constantly has schools contacting her to certify that students who make threats won't carry them out. She won't take the cases because it's just the schools trying to pass on the liability to another party, and it's impossible to predict behavior in general, 100% of the time.

We also need to teach people how to think, and respond, rather than react. It's an up hill battle, as our education system fails at this. Folks want a trouble-shooting flowchart for life, and when dealing with human behavior there simply isn't one.

xor

[Thorn]

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I compulsively edited my post Thorn sorry and added some clarity.

I still feel someone who is truly innocent, as well as unaware, makes a good test subject, perhaps the purest test subject.

The way it's handled afterward is very important however. During the Milgram experiment there was extensive counseling with the staff and the actor portrayed as the test subject.

I do agreed that it's controversial. There should have been a plan in place, if there was a plan at all.

xor

How does making a false accusation as a "joke" when the officer knows it's patently false help the TSA test anything? If you're talking about having a blind test of the officer, and using an innocent subject as bait (i.e. a double blind) that may have some validity on paper, but a failure on the part of the security forces can still lead to bad consequences for the innocent party.

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/fligh...airplane_N.htm

[xor]

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The girl admittedly stated that the whole incident took only 20 seconds.

It's just reminds me of when I'm working on someones computer. They act like it's the end of the world. Yet I'm not going to be there every day disturbing their work space. It's only for a couple of hours, if that.

Sometimes you need to remind people of the of the larger picture. Yes it's disturbing right now, but in a couple of hours you won't even remember that I was here. It's a few necessary moments out of your life, IMHO suck it up, and move on.

In the case of the woman in question, it was 20 seconds, was it necessary, that my friend is certainly debatable.

xor

[xor]

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I compulsively edited my post Thorn, sorry, and added some clarity.

I still feel someone who is truly innocent, as well as unaware, makes a good test subject, perhaps the purest test subject.

The way it's handled afterward is very important however. During the Milgram experiment there was extensive counseling with the staff and the actor portrayed as the test subject.

I do agree that it's controversial. There should have been a plan in place, if there was a plan at all.

xor

[Thorn]

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Just hold on a second, from a security perspective, why isn't this method, though certainly controversial, have some merit as a training exercise? A terrorist using this method to introduce, and or test securities responses, is certainly in the realm of possibilities.

It reminds me of the Milgram experiment in some ways. I think people are allowing gender bias to enter into the logical equation, of does this test have merit.

How would this be different than an Infosec professional calling around their own office, trying to SE passwords from unsuspecting co-workers, for the purpose of a training exercise?

xor

I know I'm just a terrible meanie.

No, it doesn't have merit, because you're placing someone who is totally innocent in fear of arrest and false charges. Going through airport security it stressful enough for most people, who honestly figure they'll be accused of having too much hand sanitizer, or not meeting the requirement for some other inane regulation. It doesn't matter if the victim in this case was male or female, young or old. Frankly, I didn't even think of that aspect.

Security forces have the ways an means to do blind tests on themselves. They don't need to subject totally innocent people to the fear of arrest, even if it's only for a few minutes.

[xor]

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More TSA shenanigans...

TSA worker planted bag with white powder on passenger as joke...

Just hold on a second, from a security perspective, why isn't this method, though certainly controversial, have some merit as a training exercise? A terrorist using this method to introduce, and or test securities responses, is certainly in the realm of possibilities.

It reminds me of the Milgram experiment in some ways. I think people are allowing gender bias to enter into the logical equation, of does this test have merit.

How would this be different than an Infosec professional calling around their own office, trying to SE passwords from unsuspecting co-workers, for the purpose of a training exercise?

The way it should have been handled, rather than saying "just kidding". She should have been taken to the private screening area, and then been thanked and praised for being an unwilling participant in a TSA training program. A program necessary for keeping flight travel safe for everyone. She should have been told that she was a hero, and that her flight was going to held. The airline where the test was conducted, should work with the TSA, to provide these participants with a free round trip ticket to anywhere in the US. If it had been done this way, there would be no story.

As usual no one wants to compromise. I want guaranteed safe travel, I don't want to have my rights infringed upon in anyway, I want it done cheaply, and at no cost to me, rather than what can I do to help make it safe.

xor

I know I'm just a terrible meanie.

[xor]

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For D.O the day you have flown your last flight.

Originally posted by Barry on netstumbler for satisfying the curiosity of fellow passengers and TSA agents as to what is on your laptop:

http://www.myit-media.de/the_end.html

xor

Make sure you dance too.

If anyone can speak the lingo, I would love a translation.

I better include a "disclamer" here:

While this many seem like a funny idea as a fantasy, the reality would be much different and far from funny. So please don't anyone actually do it. Most TLA agents have little or no sense of humor.

[renderman]

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Holy hell things have gotten stupid. I'll post the full story later but airport security in Toronto into the us departure gates had to be the most criminally ineffecient thing and most poorly implemented thing I've seen in a while.

I definatly think now that anyone who comes up with a new rule for airport screening should have to fund the actual implimentation at the front lines because I just saw the result of a system where people are asked to fufil requirements mandated by others that they cannot and do not have the resources to impliment

[Thorn]

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You're just trying to rile me up. Dammit.

<looks innocent>
Moi?
</looks innocent>

By the way, I do agree. He should have been fired. Empathy for a victim is good, and violence toward the perp is perfectly normal, at least in my circles.

[shrdlu]

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Are you sure it just wasn't a low level of C8-H10-N4-O2?

Well, I admit to having been in the process of becoming adequately prepared for the day, but that was a pretty drastic and cruel thing to do. You can tell that I was approaching saturation, because I had sympathy for the victim, rather than the more normal violent impulse towards the perpetrator.

I actually wrote and deleted several other paragraphs, over and over, that were not work safe (although nothing people haven't heard from me before, on my way in to Coffee Wars). You're just trying to rile me up. Dammit.

[Thorn]

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I thought I was as calloused and cynical as I could get, but this actually made me tear up a bit in sympathy.

Are you sure it just wasn't a low level of C8-H10-N4-O2?

[shrdlu]

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More TSA shenanigans...

TSA worker planted bag with white powder on passenger as joke...

I thought I was as calloused and cynical as I could get, but this actually made me tear up a bit in sympathy. I don't have a lot of respect for most of the TSA. Every now and then you see a good one, but by and large, those are in the smaller airports, where they are people who have to live in a community of people that know them.

I would suggest the fact that this even happened shows that this moron has done this before, and it was just this time that made it public. I don't think that the perpetrator being fired was enough.

I'm hoping her dad decides to litigate.