Recent Events - Airplane Bathroom Cameras

[heisenbug]

Re: Recent Events - Airplane Bathroom Cameras

Interesting topic, but I think it would never happen.

It's a risk vs. reward thing. How many people's privacy will you have to violate in order to prevent no one from making bombs in the bathroom? How often are these bathrooms being used for illicit activity? If you put cameras there, it will surely be in the news and it won't be used for illegal purposes again. All you will do is take pictures of people going to the bathroom.

Socially it's just not going to happen. We find the bathroom as a sacred place. People are often prudish about their bodily functions. It's a taboo topic, and that part of one's privacy will probably be protected above our rights to carry weapons and have free speech.

[Deviant Ollam]

Re: Recent Events - Airplane Bathroom Cameras

my primary feeling is perfectly in parallel to Romer's... giving up even more freedoms in the face of a great number of liberties crushed with little to zero return on that investment is just a bad deal to me.


my biggest question is practical... how would it be implemented? by that i mean, who is in charge of monitoring the feeds? the flight attendants? (who have no "super private" area of their own on the plane, or it's an area that is routinely left unattended) and if so, when do they do it? they're supposed to be working the flight, although that of course has gone south more and more over the years. is it to be the pilots' duty to check out the feed? again, we have a matter of people whose job it is to do something else already. are we hiring more TSA monkeys to monitor this remotely? then you're dealing with broadcast and all kinda other shit.

i could almost see as a partially practical solution the following... still image cameras only, viewable in the pilot's cabin... and only allowed to be accessed for a quick snapshot under specific circumstances... like an individual being in there for 5 minutes or more, with other factors that raise suspicions of the flight crew, like odd noises or smells or something. of course, that could just as easily describe my situation in the bathroom of an airplane when the in-flight meal is particularly shitty. so god knows how you'd actually make this implementable.

and i haven't even remotely touched on the issue of data storage. without it you have some more privacy protection, but utterly no evidence if you're trying to charge someone with building a bomb or even justify the devices' existence. with data storage, however, comes all the fucking leaks and tabloid nonsense that will always happen with cameras.


my background concern is a little blue... these cameras will, of course, catch far more people just trying to have a little fun on flights than they could ever hope to catch threats. people (both guys and gals) let off pent up sexual steam in airplane bathrooms. people (guys and gals together) get it on it airplane bathrooms. people party with controlled substances in bathrooms (smoking has gotten a lot harder, but not impossible, and while the 80s are over, coke still makes its way up to 30,000 feet with some regularity. i knew of one girl who took mushrooms on a really long flight, but i couldn't tell you what on earth would make someone think that is a good idea)

Flight attendants, on their ever-growing power trip, will take it upon themselves to hassle all of the people who participate in such activities, in spite of the fact that they're not hurting anyone or making the flight unsafe. i have joined the mile high club on a few rather long flights and it most assuredly kept things entertaining (it even ended a particularly bad argument one time, thank god for that... since we still had about 5 hrs to go sitting next to one another) and heartily encourage all others to do the same... but good luck with that if the neckerchief-wearing nazis start getting personal peepshow feeds up in the friendly skies.

[Chris]

Re: Recent Events - Airplane Bathroom Cameras

That was too harsh. I edited it.

Stupid idea. I am not willing to give up any more freedoms to supposedly protect me. And I think the freedom to rub one out on a cross country flight is sacrosanct.

[streaker69]

Re: Recent Events - Airplane Bathroom Cameras

I'm all for it as long as the camera feed can be surreptitiously routed to the videos screens in the passenger cabin.

[Thorn]

Re: Recent Events - Airplane Bathroom Cameras

Why not just strip everyone naked and lock them in their seats? Frankly, the newest rules are just stupid, and aren't going to ensure safety, anymore than the older rules do. All these will do is further kill air travel.

Al Queda changes the music, and the TSA dances. TSA higher-ups ought figure that out.

[xor]

With the recent events in the news, how would people feel about airplane bathroom cameras?

First, no one has suggested it yet; just me, so don't search.

Second, I'm a guy, and privacy or lack there of, in a space that I can barely fit it, doesn't bother me all that much.

Third, I'm going to ask for a certain amount of maturity when you consider this subject. We all have bodies, we all know what they look like, we all have to use the bathroom, and know from birth what is involved in performing those acts.

Fourth, consider the grainy nature of most security cameras; are they really going to be able to see all that much?

If there were security cameras in the bathroom, this wouldn't have gotten as far as it did. So how do folks feel about that. I personally wouldn't care, given what I've stated above, especially on international flights. While this would hurt the mile high club, I think that is one experience that I can give up in order to ensure better security.

xor