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  • Defcon 19: Viewing Suite Planning [DCTV, DC TV, Defcon TV]

    Background

    so, this idea is being kicked around in another thread, and i think it could be seriously cool... bringing a new element to the con that we've never really been able to see before.

    What

    there is talk of DCTV coming back when we move to the Rio. this will (ostensibly) enable people to view the con talks via the hotel's television network. people are excited about how this might translate into not just private, in-room viewing of talks among one or two friends but also how we might see plush, comfy "viewing rooms" in swanky parts of the hotel.

    private individual groups or sponsoring corporations might opt to rent out suites or some other series of adjoining rooms and offer not just comfy conditions but also amenities like drinks, snacks, and possibly other cool offerings (being able to ask questions perhaps from the con suite... questions that would be relayed to a person down in the talk room who would approach the mic, etc)

    How

    This is sort of a two-part section. Because there's the "how can this be done" (which is sort of a matter of sponsoring and permissions from the hotel, something that would be worked out privately, i imagine) and "how should this be done" which is where we want to hear from you.

    What sort of things should Con Suites have? How should admission be regulated? How large could they or should they be? And, perhaps also important... what would the Rio allow or enable?

    Post your comments, suggestions, recon, and intel.

    I wanna see this happen.
    Last edited by Deviant Ollam; August 11, 2010, 19:14.
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    Re: Viewing Suite Planning

    my own suggestion, perhaps totally unworkable but damn it'd be cool...

    Cyberpunk Bar

    Imagine a suite that has been totally re-decorated... dark themes, smoking permitted, neon signs in kanji, a pool table would be too much to hope for but i could imagine games of cards or Go happening in dank corners.

    staff all dressed in shady, futurisic fashion as talks are viewed on TVs while a bar serves only sake, choya, and Kirin beer. Pho and sushi available to eat.

    heh... am i lame for thinking that something out of a Phillip K. Dick or Richard K. Morgan novel would be a cool place to hang out at DEFCON? who remembers the Blade Runner type news updates we once had regarding the CTF? why not push it a bit further?
    "I'll admit I had an OiNK account and frequented it quite often… What made OiNK a great place was that it was like the world's greatest record store… iTunes kind of feels like Sam Goody to me. I don't feel cool when I go there. I'm tired of seeing John Mayer's face pop up. I feel like I'm being hustled when I visit there, and I don't think their product is that great. DRM, low bit rate, etc... OiNK it existed because it filled a void of what people want."
    - Trent Reznor

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    • #3
      Re: Viewing Suite Planning

      That could possibly be one of the most epic things I have heard in a while.

      The ability to watch the talks in-room was awesome at the AP, because standing in lines outside sucked and sometimes the crowds and just be too much. But being in a talk with other people means that you can make comments and such to each other during. I think having a special suite like this would be a nice mix of each. Small enough to not have the burden of the crowds, while larger than just yourself and a couple others in a room. Not to mention that things being decorated would be all sorts of win.

      I would think that if there was more than one suite, each could have a different theme, and the talks watched/displayed could match the theme in some way.

      Access control could be handled with a monetary fee and wristbands. Perhaps with in-costume attendees being granted a discount.
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      • #4
        Re: Viewing Suite Planning

        Originally posted by Deviant Ollam View Post
        my own suggestion, perhaps totally unworkable but damn it'd be cool...

        Cyberpunk Bar

        Imagine a suite that has been totally re-decorated... dark themes, smoking permitted, neon signs in kanji, a pool table would be too much to hope for but i could imagine games of cards or Go happening in dank corners.

        staff all dressed in shady, futurisic fashion as talks are viewed on TVs while a bar serves only sake, choya, and Kirin beer. Pho and sushi available to eat.

        heh... am i lame for thinking that something out of a Phillip K. Dick or Richard K. Morgan novel would be a cool place to hang out at DEFCON? who remembers the Blade Runner type news updates we once had regarding the CTF? why not push it a bit further?
        I love the idea, but you'd need at least one screen that's tiny with a huge Fresnel lens in front of it, like in the movie Brazil, or the old Max Headroom series.
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        • #5
          Re: Viewing Suite Planning

          We'll have to find out how much it would run to give the bartender a robotic arm.

          Originally posted by Deviant Ollam View Post
          my own suggestion, perhaps totally unworkable but damn it'd be cool...

          Cyberpunk Bar

          Imagine a suite that has been totally re-decorated... dark themes, smoking permitted, neon signs in kanji, a pool table would be too much to hope for but i could imagine games of cards or Go happening in dank corners.

          staff all dressed in shady, futurisic fashion as talks are viewed on TVs while a bar serves only sake, choya, and Kirin beer. Pho and sushi available to eat.

          heh... am i lame for thinking that something out of a Phillip K. Dick or Richard K. Morgan novel would be a cool place to hang out at DEFCON? who remembers the Blade Runner type news updates we once had regarding the CTF? why not push it a bit further?
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          • #6
            Re: Defcon 19: Viewing Suite Planning

            I was just surfing the Rio reservations page dreaming about getting a suite next year. The weekend of Defcon is still blacked out, but the previous weekends range from $600-730 for the 1600 sq. foot suite (Masquerade). The higher level suite is more expensive ($1150-1200), but only 1100 sq. ft., so I imagine the larger ones are more desireable.

            That being said, the Masquerade suits say "180 degree view from room," implying to me that they are on the ends of the floors, making getting a bunch of them together impossible. I just called and all the Rio could tell me is that they are on the corner of each floor.

            Looking at the other options in the Rio there are 9 specialty suites called the Palazzo Suites for VIPs (read expensive). Most of their other options are not what you seem to be looking for (Wine Cellar room, Penn and Teller Theatre). There are some small meeting rooms called the Roses, Lily, and Gardenia rooms on the third floor of the Masquerade tower *shrugs*.

            And you can bet your ass I'd love to hang out in a cyber bar.

            Maybe some of the DC groups or hacker spaces would volunteer to work on mechanized props, displays, etc. Crowdsource it out.

            Mel
            Secretary

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            • #7
              Re: Defcon 19: Viewing Suite Planning

              Great idea Deviant. I like the idea of the rooms replicating the tracks downstairs. It would be fun to setup a camera and mike that relays down to a wheelable dummy that has speakers and an LCD in place of the face. Someone could wheel the dummy up to the mike to ask the questions...

              BTW, I booked my room at the Rio as I was walking out of Defcon on Sunday evening. The reservationist was surprised that the dates were available for booking. So was I.

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              • #8
                Re: Defcon 19: Viewing Suite Planning

                I, for one, would enjoy being able to view the talks in the comfort of a room with a beer and something to eat. I would especially dig it in the cyberpunk context. :)

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                • #9
                  Re: Defcon 19: Viewing Suite Planning

                  A cyberpunk/steam punk bar would be great. The only problem I can think of with that is I'll never leave and miss the rest of the Con.
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                  • #10
                    Re: Defcon 19: Viewing Suite Planning

                    One thing to keep in mind, there are five video channels at our disposal. One of them will be the info channel, leaving four currently unaccounted for. We had five speaking tracks this year, with two screens.. one for the speaker, one for their video output.

                    How would you allocate them for maximum in room pleasure?

                    We have talked about info scrolling bars, info updates between talks (which is more difficult because all the rooms don't always break at the exact same time, and you might not want to wait 49 minutes to get an update.
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                    • #11
                      Re: Defcon 19: Viewing Suite Planning

                      Originally posted by Dark Tangent View Post
                      you might not want to wait 49 minutes to get an update.
                      Isn't this also the purpose of the Twitter feed, the website feed, and plain ol word of mouth?
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                      • #12
                        Re: Defcon 19: Viewing Suite Planning

                        Originally posted by Dark Tangent View Post
                        One thing to keep in mind, there are five video channels at our disposal. One of them will be the info channel, leaving four currently unaccounted for. We had five speaking tracks this year, with two screens.. one for the speaker, one for their video output.

                        How would you allocate them for maximum in room pleasure?

                        We have talked about info scrolling bars, info updates between talks (which is more difficult because all the rooms don't always break at the exact same time, and you might not want to wait 49 minutes to get an update.
                        I would allocate ALL channels to speakers. I'd like to come back, and would far prefer to spend the money on a room, and continue to be my normal, extremely antisocial self. I would rather see speakers than slides, but would do a picture in picture or other split frame if I were going to be fancy (and I realize that could be more than you were planning to do).

                        I don't care about information updates, and agree with hexjunkie on the idea that there are already Twitter feeds and other options. Camera feed of an empty room is okay. That gives me time to make more coffee.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Defcon 19: Viewing Suite Planning

                          Originally posted by Dark Tangent View Post
                          How would you allocate them for maximum in room pleasure?
                          Same suggestion I offered before...

                          Split the screen into 4 quadrants:
                          * Top left and top right are for the speaker from track 1and their projected presentation respectively.
                          * Bottom left and bottom right are the speaker from track 2 and their projected presentation respectively.
                          * Default Audio is from track 1.
                          * SAP audio channel is from track 2.

                          Repeat this process for track 3/4 and then again for track 5/?

                          This would utilize 3 channels for up to 6 speaking tracks.

                          This would allow for 1 channel to be set aside for Defcon Info, and another to be set aside for DCTV if it were to make a come back.
                          Last edited by TheCotMan; August 14, 2010, 21:21. Reason: suggested should have been suggestion

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                          • #14
                            Re: Defcon 19: Viewing Suite Planning

                            Originally posted by TheCotMan View Post
                            Split the screen into 4 quadrants:
                            * Top left and top right are for the speaker from track 1and their projected presentation respectively.
                            * Bottom left and bottom right are the speaker from track 2 and their projected presentation respectively.
                            * Default Audio is from track 1.
                            * SAP audio channel is from track 2.
                            that is bloody brilliant.

                            the only thing i wouldn't see as having a really huge value-add would be the info channel. maybe it's just me, but i've never really gotten much out of it... in this modern era, wouldn't twitter or some other medium make more sense for announcements, etc?

                            unless we really jazzed it up, however, with Qik videos and such firing in all the time. i dunno, just suggestions.

                            cotman's allocation of channel usage makes the most sense to me, absolutely.
                            "I'll admit I had an OiNK account and frequented it quite often… What made OiNK a great place was that it was like the world's greatest record store… iTunes kind of feels like Sam Goody to me. I don't feel cool when I go there. I'm tired of seeing John Mayer's face pop up. I feel like I'm being hustled when I visit there, and I don't think their product is that great. DRM, low bit rate, etc... OiNK it existed because it filled a void of what people want."
                            - Trent Reznor

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                            • #15
                              Re: Defcon 19: Viewing Suite Planning

                              Originally posted by TheCotMan View Post
                              Same suggested I offered before...

                              Split the screen into 4 quadrants:
                              * Top left and top right are for the speaker from track 1and their projected presentation respectively.
                              * Bottom left and bottom right are the speaker from track 2 and their projected presentation respectively.
                              * Default Audio is from track 1.
                              * SAP audio channel is from track 2.

                              Repeat this process for track 3/4 and then again for track 5/?

                              This would utilize 3 channels for up to 6 speaking tracks.

                              This would allow for 1 channel to be set aside for Defcon Info, and another to be set aside for DCTV if it were to make a come back.
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