Cybernetics and Evolution

**Fused** · February 12, 2003, 06:41

you are very confusing i am sorry to tell you this. but its ok. ph34r da b34r

**blackwave** · February 12, 2003, 07:04

Re: Cybernetics and Evolution

Originally posted by pezz
1. ) Do you think that humans can create a self evolving race utilizing “microchips”?

Yes, but this time may not occur if humans destroy their planet first. Humans are the perfect virus in flesh... who knows what utopian realms they will reach in biomechanical form.

Originally posted by pezz
2.) If so, do you think that biomechanical organisms are a possibility?

Yes, of course... though any type of expenditures based on movement are wasted energy... better to involve the evolvement in a large solid state matter :)

**converge** · February 12, 2003, 07:22

Originally posted by pezz
At one point we did not understand the human genome. Now we have a map.

Yes, but there was also heavy support and competition to accomplish this, if my mind is not failing me.

With the emphasis our society places on monetary gain, isnt it easy to fathom that a group of researchers might provide a cure for aids only to have it snapped up by those whos interest is in monetary gain? ex..

Absolutely. My comments were not that shallow :) My point was that there is a difference between making it, and making it happen. When making it, it is easy to keep it under wraps, for reasons of greed, "national security", or whatever factors that may. When making it happen, it becomes too well understood or public knowledge for a given entity to control with these factors, and it becomes prey to competition, which brings it into a more feasible realm. Right this technology is partially on the verged of being discovered, but not even fully that far to qualify it as actually being "made".

Many years before people will be running around with designer memory mods. Just imagine the intense pr0n that could be viewed with one of these! Segway to unrelated comment -> I am not yet convinced that we aren't currently frying ourselves with RF.

I do have a very hard time believing there is not yet a cure for aids, or many of the "untreatable" forms of cancer... The government has much money to gain by taxing and suing the tobacco companies.

That is true with the invention of the carburator that allowed 100 miles to the gallon. I *think* exxon mobile purchased the patent, and still secretly holds it today.

Yes, that is true. I can't remember the specifics, but I think the conservational gain was even greater than that. Can't have any of that, we would need less oil-based fuels...

**pezz** · February 12, 2003, 08:50

Quick thought:

If we were able to read minds using wireless comm. and cybernetics, could we implant chips into children at birth and track the world?

Could we also implement *hidden* transmitters/recievers into television sets to function as mind control agents/spyware?

Are we doing this now????;)

**blackwave** · February 12, 2003, 09:11

Originally posted by pezz
If we were able to read minds using wireless comm. and cybernetics, could we implant chips into children at birth and track the world?

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Surely we would not have to rely on technology for thought transfer, this is already built in... though because it has been so rarely used, not many are able to use it correctly or at will.. relying on technology too much will cause these types of problems where technology is chosen over built in fleshisms...[/color]

**pezz** · February 12, 2003, 09:43

Ahhhh.... And where exactly does Google fit into all of this. How many of us now have a Google dependency?

**KeLviN** · February 12, 2003, 11:04

Originally posted by blackwave
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Surely we would not have to rely on technology for thought transfer, this is already built in... though because it has been so rarely used, not many are able to use it correctly or at will.. relying on technology too much will cause these types of problems where technology is chosen over built in fleshisms...[/color]

am i to understand that BW thinks that we all have telepathic capibilities? i don't think so.

and in response to pezzzzz, just because we have "mapped" the human genome and know where all the ACTG's go, doesn't mean that we have the slightest idea what ALL these codons do....

**pezz** · February 12, 2003, 12:08

Originally posted by KeLviN

doesn't mean that we have the slightest idea what ALL these codons do....

IMHO ...DNA is alot like M$ source code....expose it, and everyone would be like flys on chit...analyzing the hell out of it, and using it to create their own....Learning the double helix is comparable to a complex language....EVERYTHING....NO MATTER HOW RANDOM...CREATES A PATTERN

**blackwave** · February 12, 2003, 12:08

Originally posted by KeLviN
am i to understand that BW thinks that we all have telepathic capibilities? i don't think so.

It is true... just because we don't use things we can't remember doesnt' mean they aren't there... the human mind has many mysteries that only few have unlocked and millions more still unknown.

**KeLviN** · February 12, 2003, 12:14

Originally posted by blackwave
It is true... just because we don't use things we can't remember doesnt' mean they aren't there... the human mind has many mysteries that only few have unlocked and millions more still unknown.

no more "in search of..." for BW. leonard nemoy has poisened his mind!

**Fused** · February 12, 2003, 12:20

ok i am really lost right now but that is ok... i will just read now. and i use google daily.

**simple3** · February 12, 2003, 19:34

something about digital watches
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--simple3

**Kry0NiK** · February 13, 2003, 16:17

Originally posted by pezz
IMHO ...DNA is alot like M$ source code....expose it, and everyone would be like flys on chit...analyzing the hell out of it, and using it to create their own....Learning the double helix is comparable to a complex language....EVERYTHING....NO MATTER HOW RANDOM...CREATES A PATTERN

It doesnt quite work that way haxor chique....

Manipulating DNA is not like compiling a kernel where you just randomly switch on and off variables, compile and run. Many millions of combinations of DNA are not viable, thus lost pregnancies and such. Trials of slightly modifing DNA to cure certain diseases has so far yielded horrible side effects, such as death, and lukemia. And thats just manipulating white blood cells of a normal fully developed adult. Even the famous dolly (the cloned sheep) wasnt a true clone. Dont hold your breath for a perfect Pezz copy anytime soon. The world can breathe a collective sigh of relief.

**jetforce4004** · February 13, 2003, 16:32

Originally posted by pezz
IMHO ...DNA is alot like M$ source code....expose it, and everyone would be like flys on chit...analyzing the hell out of it, and using it to create their own....Learning the double helix is comparable to a complex language....EVERYTHING....NO MATTER HOW RANDOM...CREATES A PATTERN

what about pie? if chips implanted into people became popular and m$ created some I know they would find a way of crashing them.

**pezz** · February 13, 2003, 16:40

pie is used to create a prime...even pie presents a pattern...maybe one we dont fully comprehend yet, but it does creat a pattern

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