Vote - Defcon 12 100$usd

[dataworm]

Originally posted by blackwave
The "funny thing" about PKI is that it involves initial trust... I don't think anyone is going to trust everyone signing their own results... btw, the anonymity was supposed to be linked to the fundage, I don't think the tests... :/

This is why it's the server that sign the result before sending the info to the user...
By doing the test in that way you would not need to pre paid, so it save your privacy...
Anyway this whole thing is a BAD idea...

[pezz]

Oh come one now...you register for class before it starts, you register for other conferences before they start, you register for cert tests before you take them and all of this is paid up front?

Which of these have you ever known not to work???

Detok have you ever been to a conference other than con?

Con is the ONLY conference I have been to that didnt require pre-reg.

[blackwave]

Enter the Hacker.

Originally posted by pezz
Oh come one now...you register for class before it starts, you register for other conferences before they start, you register for cert tests before you take them and all of this is paid up front?

Ok the test thing is only bad because most people would naturally just find a way to pass the test, and not pass the test as it was intended... hackers... silly creatures. :)


Which of

Originally posted by pezz
these have you ever known not to work???

See it probably all makes sense until you enter the hacker element, I have seen people try and figure out how to cheat an online DMV driving school exam... they'd spend hours screwing with it... when all they had to do is spend half and hour watching the video and then answering the questions while you were watching it... as it was intended... again enter the hacker element... it isn't about passing the damned test, it is about figuring out how to pass the test every time, all the time, no matter the questions :) [hacker element]

Originally posted by pezz
Con is the ONLY conference I have been to that didnt require pre-reg.

Also perhaps the only con where a lot of people work for a living writing, securing and penetrating registration systems :D :D

[Chris]

Re: Enter the Hacker.

Originally posted by blackwave


Also perhaps the only con where a lot of people work for a living writing, securing and penetrating registration systems :D :D

I think, and I may be wrong, that it is actually the privacy issue. If you're going to do pre-reg, it is going to need to be online. If you are online, it needs to be credit card, and our core attendees aren't thrilled about associating their real name, let alone their credit card info with con.

[blackwave]

Re: Re: Enter the Hacker.

Originally posted by Chris
I think, and I may be wrong, that it is actually the privacy issue. If you're going to do pre-reg, it is going to need to be online. If you are online, it needs to be credit card, and our core attendees aren't thrilled about associating their real name, let alone their credit card info with con.

Yeah this thread is full of confusion for something that will never happen... but somewhere a few posts ago everyone got away from the cc/online idea and changed it to the test/online idea that would be signed and brought to the con, where i guess people would be rejected or accepted on the spot, and then they could hand over the cash... at least that is how i read it so far, especially after dworm's explanation :)

[Chris]

Re: Re: Re: Enter the Hacker.

Originally posted by blackwave
Yeah this thread is full of confusion for something that will never happen... but somewhere a few posts ago everyone got away from the cc/online idea and changed it to the test/online idea that would be signed and brought to the con, where i guess people would be rejected or accepted on the spot, and then they could hand over the cash... at least that is how i read it so far, especially after dworm's explanation :)

Yeah, but as you said, that isn't going to happen....in all honesty, and I again I am talking out of my ass because I have absolutely no input on the reg/pre-reg side of things, the only thing that may happen is that there would be pre-reg for those that wanted to, and then regular reg for those that don't. The problem with this is the hassles it would entail for the reg grannies. My guess is that registration next year will be exactly the same as it has always been. I will however stake a years salary ($350 ;) )on the fact that there will NOT be an "entrance exam" to get into DefCon.

[pezz]

hacker element...exactly my point!
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This was a post about con registration? Damn I though we were trying to figure out ways to get into BlackWares pants...

BW(at con): Decypher this version of the constitution and tell me if I used rot to encrypt it....

SW: ummmm....yes?

BW: Good young one....You may now view the almighty peepee....:D

SW: I see no peepee!

BW: It is your perception of the peepee.....the peepee is all around you.....focus on the peepee...focus...focus..

[blackwave]

rofl... haha now that is bad...

[hackajar]

Grifter, I would be fearful of an online reg / on-site reg split for this. "cracker's" some who like the term "carder / card'ed (for merch)" can reg at last minute with bunk cards, then get badge. But charge back would only hurt DT and the DC foundation, the assheads screwing the general con not realizing it won't be there next year cause of their little issue with not forking over a simple $75, $100, $150 WTF?

Prist had a point, he mentioned that black hat was $1,100+ and DC is only $75. Other people mentioned to him that other "security" con's were as much as $2500. So this is REALLY not all that bad.

Another good point - Speaker badge. This would be 'speaker' and not just set to 'room/tent'. That's an important distinction, cause I was thinking "Speaker badge? People don't need a badge to wonder AP in general. The bar, lobby, chill room, nasty food area (right before pool) are all free standing no badge requried. What the hell would you want a non speaker badge for, vendor area and stare at CTF people?" But there is B&W, hacker jepordy, and awards I guess.

Thinking more, no watchie speakers badge, that my be good. Think about this

H - "Honey, I really want to see this speker"

GF/BF - "I don't want to sit there, I don't understand what they are saying"

H - "Well, this is the only REALLY technical one I want to see, the rest of the talks you can understand"

GF - "Ok, but you owe me big time"

Now this is a converstaion from DC8 I saw when piling in to a talk about Buffer Overflows. A perfactly good seat wasted to someone who could care less. In this light, charge $25 less for non-speaker badge, you still recover funds well, and the "wasted" seat will go away.

LONG THREAD SORRY, one more -

I am really concidering a 10 badge hack off next year if prices go up. lets say prices are set to $100, and this kills it for some of the more flavorable people, I would setup shop out front the reg area with different "tasks" for one to do. If they could do these (answer really obscure questions, juggle flaming bowling pins, etc) I would personally comp them the badge. This would get the con people who SHOULD be there, and staisfiy my personal issue of "doing something for the benifit of others" (tax deductible has nothing to do with it :) jk)

[Q42]

I'm in agreement with Chris -- There will most likely NOT be any kind of entrance exam.

I have said before that I am all for raising the price to $100. We could charge many times that, and it would stlil be well worth it.

Pre registration for DC is just not a good idea. It would cause so many problems, from worrying about whether or not someone's ID/credit card is valid, to people attempting to hack the reg system, or actually succeeding in hacking the reg system, crashing it, and pissing off all the attendees that DID register, etc. That I can't even try to entertain the idea.

$100. Cash. I don't think things can get much easier than that. For both Staff AND attendees.

[kallahar]

Here's an idea. Limit the number of attendees, but charge $200 for first-timers ($75 if you bring last-year's badge with you)

That would reward the people who are really part of the community, and make sure that the first timers really want to be there.

Of course, increase the price and you increase the thefts, etc. of badges...

[blackwave]

Originally posted by kallahar
Of course, increase the price and you increase the thefts, etc. of badges...

not to mention an increase in Kinko's usage (counterfeiting..), hell even creating an underground eBay market for badge selling...


hmm.. even better get 10$USD off the registration price with each unique badge from previous cons... sure there would be some people getting their money back, and then some... but not many :)

... or how about paying for speech area... such as ballgames, concerts, theater... the closer you are to the speech the more you pay :) and seats are numbered... MuHahah... so evil... so evil.

[octalpus]

Personally, I think $100 is a great idea, but I'm wondering if it couldn't include a shirt? Shirts aren't that expensive to make, especially that that quantity, but it makes you feel like you're getting a $20-25 value.

[hackajar]

or a "Free Hat" just make sure that he's not a serial baby killer :D

[KeLviN]

Originally posted by octalpussy
Personally, I think $100 is a great idea, but I'm wondering if it couldn't include a shirt? Shirts aren't that expensive to make, especially that that quantity, but it makes you feel like you're getting a $20-25 value.

i was all against the 100$ idea.......


but this is a great option........