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    Applicable Computer Crime Laws...

    Would it be possible when registering a new account on the forums to include a link to Cybercrime.gov and include a list of applicable computer crime laws that could be broken should anyone take action on posts like...

    I was wondering where I could find some information on how to hack into a normal everyday website. Nothing too elabrite I just wanted to change some leters or words around on a wbsite that I find very annoying. I also know that it will not be very hard to do considering that the fact that this website is built by kids, my peers.

    ...with links to news stories past criminal incidents?

    Its one thing to see people unwilling to do their homework first, its another when they're asking for a hand in breaking the law.
    Nonnumquam cupido magnas partes Interretis vincendi me corripit
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    I think the problem would be that this is an international forum. People from all over the world post in here, and different countries have different laws.
    Good idea, but that link only seems to be aimed at the US, so will not apply to lots of people.
    Twigman

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Twigman
      I think the problem would be that this is an international forum. People from all over the world post in here, and different countries have different laws.
      Good idea, but that link only seems to be aimed at the US, so will not apply to lots of people.
      As stated above this would be a good idea if it weren't for all the different laws countries have on computer crimes. Also, I know that here in Colorado we have set laws for computer crimes and then we also adhear to the Federal ones as well.


      The DC719 posted the laws for Colorado only because that's where we reside. Might be something for other DC groups to look into doing, but I don't think it would fly well here.
      "It is difficult not to wonder whether that combination of elements which produces a machine for labor does not create also a soul of sorts, a dull resentful metallic will, which can rebel at times". Pearl S. Buck

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      • #4
        Originally posted by lil_freak
        The DC719 posted the laws for Colorado only because that's where we reside. Might be something for other DC groups to look into doing, but I don't think it would fly well here.
        That's good idea, dc702 will go ahead and steal your thunder on this one and post local laws to our web site. Thanks for the great tip!
        "Never Underestimate the Power of Stupid People in Large Groups"

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Twigman
          I think the problem would be that this is an international forum. People from all over the world post in here, and different countries have different laws.

          Good idea, but that link only seems to be aimed at the US, so will not apply to lots of people.
          OK, but as a general heads up it wouldn't be a bad idea, something to the effect of...

          If you compromised a server in the United States, you might be charged with 18 U.S.C. § 1029., 18 U.S.C. § 1030., 18 U.S.C. § 1362., 18 U.S.C. § 2701 et seq., and 18 U.S.C. § 3121 et seq. Just recently a wardriver was sentenced to nine years in prison for trying to steal credit card numbers.

          Hacking a machine elsewhere in the world might have just as strict if not worse consequences.

          Mind you that could be alot better worded if there was any Redbull here at the home office, but gives you the general gist of it.
          Nonnumquam cupido magnas partes Interretis vincendi me corripit

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          • #6
            Originally posted by hackajar
            That's good idea, dc702 will go ahead and steal your thunder on this one and post local laws to our web site. Thanks for the great tip!
            Better to be informed than left in the dark.

            FYI: In case you don't check your pm's often, you may want to.
            "It is difficult not to wonder whether that combination of elements which produces a machine for labor does not create also a soul of sorts, a dull resentful metallic will, which can rebel at times". Pearl S. Buck

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            • #7
              what makes you believe that someone who wont read the rules is going to be inclined to read government legal jargon or not be egged on by news stories of people defacing websites or other mischief? isnt that why their here? the want to do mischief and the inability to read? i dont see how this will help other than take even more attention away from the rules as they stand now.
              the fresh prince of 1337

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              • #8
                I think the other thread about this stuff had the best idea, supress posting for 10 days to new users. This will weed out 80% of the junk, I would suspect.
                "Never Underestimate the Power of Stupid People in Large Groups"

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                • #9
                  10 days might be a bit much, but i agree, a few days before new kids can post will deffinately weed out a chunk of the bad traffic.
                  the fresh prince of 1337

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                  • #10
                    KeLviN, I’m not sure who you’re addressing so forgive me if you were not addressing me:

                    Originally posted by KeLviN
                    what makes you believe that someone who wont read the rules is going to be inclined to read government legal jargon
                    I don’t think for one second that someone who’s not inclined to read the rules would even be willing to read government and/or local state laws, nor did I say that I thought they would.

                    I do however, believe that those who are willing to read the rules would also be willing to read and find out about the local laws in their own country, state, province, etc.


                    or not be egged on by news stories of people defacing websites or other mischief? isnt that why their here? the want to do mischief and the inability to read? i dont see how this will help other than take even more attention away from the rules as they stand now.
                    I’m of the curious nature and being as such I like to know what the rules and laws are and where they stand, before I make my first move. And like many on this forum I have learned from my mistakes and can admit to them, without shame. I feel that those of us that can do so are the ones that will be around a lot longer than the individual that can not or will not read and abide by the rules.

                    Now about the part on taking away from the rules: I don’t feel that this thread would do this anymore than any other thread on here.

                    I also never agreed with the first post that I though we should add such items to the forums, I only said it might be something that the DC groups might want to take a look at adding to their own sites/forums and nothing more.

                    Okay, I'm done with my ranting, hopefully I did not offend anyone too much.
                    "It is difficult not to wonder whether that combination of elements which produces a machine for labor does not create also a soul of sorts, a dull resentful metallic will, which can rebel at times". Pearl S. Buck

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                    • #11
                      you arn't the problem, so the fact that you WOULD read all that stuff is totally irrelivant. its supposed to act as a deterrent to those who would otherwise ask questions that are illegal. and if they wont read the rules, then i dont see them reading other information that has the same point. it will just become another sticky in a series of stickys that are allready ignored.

                      post whatever you want, my only point is that i dont believe it will make any difference in the number or severity of soliciting posts.
                      the fresh prince of 1337

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                      • #12
                        Compromising a server in the United States is illegal...in the United States. If you are in Iran or China and compromise a US server, you'll probably get a medal. Just because something is illegal here, or the US thinks it needs to be illegal everywnere does not make it remotely enforceable. Child labor, slavery, prostitution, kiddie pr0n, beastiality...alll are illegal in the US yet legal in other countries. It'll be tough to enforce. Who would prosecute? The Hague?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by astcell
                          Compromising a server in the United States is illegal...in the United States. If you are in Iran or China and compromise a US server, you'll probably get a medal. Just because something is illegal here, or the US thinks it needs to be illegal everywnere does not make it remotely enforceable. Child labor, slavery, prostitution, kiddie pr0n, beastiality...alll are illegal in the US yet legal in other countries. It'll be tough to enforce. Who would prosecute? The Hague?
                          OK I agree a 5-7 day cooling off period would limit the stupid posts, but to answer Astcell's question, The FBI has an office in Romania, its only a matter of time before the U.S. starts plucking criminals out of other countries for breaking U.S. laws.

                          P.S. There is no Federal law against beastiality, but the farm animals instinctively know that someone wandering around wearing hip-wadders miles away from a trout stream is generally up to no good.
                          Nonnumquam cupido magnas partes Interretis vincendi me corripit

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                          • #14
                            [QUOTE=KeLviN]you arn't the problem, ......(Edited to shorten reading time)[QUOTE]

                            That's always good to know.

                            My posting yesterday afternoon was not the best of ideas, seeing as how I was stressed out by events that had happen at work and was a little incoherent when it came to reading things all the way through before commenting.

                            /me is still a bit stressed, but at least things are up and working (at least for now)

                            I'm still all for a waiting period
                            "It is difficult not to wonder whether that combination of elements which produces a machine for labor does not create also a soul of sorts, a dull resentful metallic will, which can rebel at times". Pearl S. Buck

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by erehwon
                              its only a matter of time before the U.S. starts plucking criminals out of other countries for breaking U.S. laws.
                              See heading "Controversial FBI tactics" at bottom of page
                              http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/06...ussian_hacker/

                              This is how the FBI get's hackers arrested, not by aresting them in countries that have no similer Internet laws
                              "Never Underestimate the Power of Stupid People in Large Groups"

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