DefCon/Hacker Leadership

[SlackJaw]

Thank for a fantastic post converge. You have said everything I've felt but didn't quite know how to say it.
You bring up a ton of challenges so now I really have a jump off point to do some drilling down and do more specific research, along the line of what Thorn and CotMan were saying...

At this point, should I try to offer any rebuttal or god forbid any extention to you well thought out post, I'd look foolish, but I wouldn't mind Thorn or some other kung fu master jumping on this...I'll kick back and enjoy.

Sincere Thanks converge. You're my current hero. Of course this is subject to change it someone happens to line me up with pussy/food/All expense paid trip to DC/or a cute puppy.

Side note to Cot.... "My Bad."

Side Note to Forum/DC Vets and and the real Geeks here.....I think some of you have lost touch with what it feels like for wannabes to just come on here and have you guys acknowledge our existance. The intelligent people with a passion - just like yours know how to google, and sift through the plethora of white papers, cracked ebooks/warez, and their text books, but it isn't a lazy nature that entices us to come here with what you percieve as elementary rehashed SOS. You are the so called leaders of the scene and represent what we aspire to be. I'm not talking about starry eyed adolescents disilusioned by hollywood, or scene whores, or fad faggots, but people with the same quest you have - we're all just at different levels.
You see, you give what static learning tools can't; an "in you face" dialogue that not only teaches, but inspires, feeding not only the brain but the soul. I am absolutely NOT saying you have any responsibility to fulfill this role but nonetheless its the position you've climbed too, and in my opinon, earned. Do with it what you wll.....

God I sound like a dildo... fuck it...I'm posting it anyway.

[TheCotMan]

This was split from this thread as a new topic:

Side Note to Forum/DC Vets and and the real Geeks here.....I think some of you have lost touch with what it feels like for wannabes to just come on here and have you guys acknowledge our existance.

I'm not new to DefCon, but I am newish to the forums. I've donated my own time to, "the cause," to see things work better. I do not view myself as a hacker; I am a no-clue newbie space waster. :-)

What I see of people in the DefCon space, and nearly any hacker-type, grass-roots/organic group is a kind of autonomy created by people who are not sheeple. The people who are viewed as, "leaders," (IMO) are people who found something at DefCon that they thought they could be made better, and then they ran contests, organized events, provided presentations, hosted parties, or worked as goons.

The difference between a leader and an "activist" is the leader brings changes after complaining about them while an activist tries to get others to bring changes.

So, why are there forums? I see the primary and secondary purpose of the forums are DefCon Planning and between-con socializing. A tertiary purpose, is peer help, but this is not the same thing as tech support, and it is only provided as people have time, or are in the mood to contribute. (There are people here who actually work in support, or in security as professionals, and come here to have fun, and maybe get away from work.)

The new world order has been one of specialization. You want good Thai food, then you go to a Thai resteraunt, not the mini-mart, grocery store, or warehouse megastore.

The intelligent people with a passion - just like yours know how to google, and sift through the plethora of white papers, cracked ebooks/warez, and their text books, but it isn't a lazy nature that entices us to come here with what you percieve as elementary rehashed SOS. You are the so called leaders of the scene and represent what we aspire to be.

Most "good" leaders I've met did not strive to become leaders, but instead lived their lives true to themselves. Most seem to have an idea of how they want to see things work, and are slow to make concessions. The best leaders, are those people who tell you exactly what they want, and don't play games-- those people who are direct, and have no problem telling you to your face, "If you ever point that gun at me, loaded or not, I'm going to kick your ass." Sure, these people are not "touchy-feely" and tend to not offer praise very often, but you tend to know where you stand with them. The best leaders don't micromanage, but direct with objective, non-subjective goals.

[dYn4mic]

...[big snip]....sheeple......[big snip]

Not that the rest of your post was bad... (it was quite good as I've come to expect from a spacewaster such as yourself) ... but sheeple... haha that just cracked me up...its perfect. I can't wait to use it myself from time to time.

[Ridirich]

God I sound like a dildo... fuck it...I'm posting it anyway.

Actually this post was not bad....your other post....now THAT made you sound like a dildo, and apparently one who likes "old man gay porn" I am sure you are in a market all to yourself.

[SlackJaw]

Actually this post was not bad....your other post....now THAT made you sound like a dildo, and apparently one who likes "old man gay porn" I am sure you are in a market all to yourself.

Sigh...I never said I liked it..just gotta pay the bills. And what are you trying to say?

I do have a system like that...it's what I run all my vaporware on!

T

[converge]

I do have a system like that...it's what I run all my vaporware on!

Have you gotten Duke Nukem Forever running on linux yet?

[Ridirich]

Sigh...I never said I liked it..just gotta pay the bills. And what are you trying to say?

I do have a system like that...it's what I run all my vaporware on!

T

Yeah, you have a system like that. I have a bridge I can sell you cheap too.

Speaking of which, I gotta call those masons again.....