Boston Versus ATHF

**theprez98** · February 11, 2007, 07:17

Re: Boston Versus ATHF

Originally posted by steampunk

Well, I am. So there.

Fair enough, just give me a few minutes to get away when you're disabling an explosive device based on a Google search!!!

**noid** · February 11, 2007, 07:47

Re: Boston Versus ATHF

Originally posted by theprez98

Fair enough, just give me a few minutes to get away when you're disabling an explosive device based on a Google search!!!

No kidding. I'll go with years of law enforcement training over 'i saws it on teh intarnet' any day. I actually had an interview candidate a while back who was applying Steampunk's philosophy to Information Security. He didnt have any experience or training, but told me with a straight face, he spent a lot of time reading about InfoSec on the internet. I thanked him for his time and let him know he didnt have to worry about us cutting into his googling time. :)

**VAX_to_PBX** · February 11, 2007, 08:16

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He should have spent more time learning to apply for Jobs. That wouldn't even get a person a job at RadioShack.

I wouldn't even trust someone with a BS in Electrical Engineering, and a few years in chemistry. With low tolerance compositions any 1 of finite elements in a open, and dynamic environment could cause reaction, and no expert in the world could change that. You might as well have an ex IRA field agent doing the work(clitche.)

**tr1gger65RUS** · February 11, 2007, 10:08

Re: Boston Versus ATHF

Originally posted by noid

No kidding. I'll go with years of law enforcement training over 'i saws it on teh intarnet' any day. I actually had an interview candidate a while back who was applying Steampunk's philosophy to Information Security. He didnt have any experience or training, but told me with a straight face, he spent a lot of time reading about InfoSec on the internet. I thanked him for his time and let him know he didnt have to worry about us cutting into his googling time. :)

You mean, that someone said that he's ready to deal with, i mean disarm for example blasting assemblies in field environment (read : reality) reading or watching on the monitor ?
same question: Do you gamble on a boxer on his first fight learning to fight by books ? His is some sort of kamikaze, i prefer to step aside, far aside, leting him doing everything he can imagine. i don't want to be "deceased"- stamped because "someone"'s stupidity. His first experience would be his last one.
sapper is not a job, it is vocation, style of life, condition of soul.

**steampunk** · February 11, 2007, 10:26

Originally posted by noid

No kidding. I'll go with years of law enforcement training over 'i saws it on teh intarnet' any day. I actually had an interview candidate a while back who was applying Steampunk's philosophy to Information Security. He didnt have any experience or training, but told me with a straight face, he spent a lot of time reading about InfoSec on the internet. I thanked him for his time and let him know he didnt have to worry about us cutting into his googling time. :)

Perhaps I didn't communicate well enough or everyone simply did not read what I had typed. Especially my analogy to that of the young man who knows when he is NOT seeing sex after having learned what sex is from internet porn-watching. I did NOT say that one could dismantle a bomb after having read about explosives.

In fact, I'll repost my prior postings on this subject so that you see how absurdly it was blown out of proportion:

"That's not true. Anyone has the potential to know how to handle explosives without actually having done so. Also, anyone can quickly find out how the city bomb squads are trained for situations such as these by doing a Google search."

"I just think that it's totally possible for someone to understand that situation without having experience in diffusing bombs. Or in your example, the virgin could most likely tell if the person was not having sex based on his pr0n-looking."

Originally posted by theprez98

Fair enough, just give me a few minutes to get away when you're disabling an explosive device based on a Google search!!!

"anyone can quickly find out how the city bomb squads are trained for situations such as these by doing a Google search."

I guess I can see how that can be taken differently. What I mean is that there are ways to determine if the bomb squad did its job effectively: how they arrived on the scene, how they handled press, how they coordined off an area, whether or not they determined if it was actually a bomb beforehand. These are all things that anyone is able to research by other means. You don't have to be a bomb professional to understand bomb squad policy matters.

**renderman** · February 11, 2007, 13:45

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http://www.wyff4.com/news/10961759/detail.html

By this logic, my back yard is full of suspect bombs

**tr1gger65RUS** · February 11, 2007, 13:59

Re: Boston Versus ATHF

Originally posted by renderman

By this logic, my back yard is full of suspect bombs

Is it bad ? eBay.. )

**VAX_to_PBX** · February 11, 2007, 21:10

Re: Boston Versus ATHF

You know something is hilarious when a response to it links to an article with the phrases "Pickens county," and "Blue Yonder." Now we just need a Gomer Pile montage.

I think the best way to describe this whole ordeal is Fear Mongering, and P.C. fundamentalism. If people would only react this way to real problems.

**renderman** · February 22, 2007, 14:15

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http://www.wired.com/news/columns/0,...l?tw=rss.index

Originally posted by Bruce Schneier

It took the police two weeks to notice the Mooninite blinkies, but once they did, they overreacted because their jobs were at stake.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Oh, wait, I did!

**steampunk** · February 23, 2007, 07:38

Re: Boston Versus ATHF

Originally posted by renderman

http://www.wired.com/news/columns/0,...l?tw=rss.index

Couldn't have said it better myself. Oh, wait, I did!

lol yeah. Great article.

I think it's also important that people become more familiar with their environment and less afraid of technological neuance. We can't have everyone thinking that newfangledgizmo=bomb or we won't get anywhere as a society/culture. I generally despise anti-technologists.

**Abby_Normal** · February 23, 2007, 09:55

Re: Boston Versus ATHF

Originally posted by Deviant Ollam

now THAT would be an absolutely OUTSTANDING breakout session this year... introduction to basic soldering and circuit assembly. LostBoy could draw up the diagrams, we order the parts and then make them available to participants at cost (or a slight markup to cover time, effort, etc) and in the end, if people do things correctly, they go home with a working Ignignot or Err... or both if they're a fast study and quick with a soldering iron.

i think people would easily pay at least $40 to $50 for one of those kits... how much would the raw supplies actually cost?

we should start a discussion as to what features or modes our DC version of the sign should have.

I would sign up for that in a heartbeat!

**renderman** · February 28, 2007, 16:58

Re: Boston Versus ATHF

http://www.myfoxboston.com/myfox/pag...Y&pageId=1.1.1

The device was a traffic counter, installed by the city or a contractor.

I'll rest my case now that the paranoia level and critical thinking level in Boston are at opposite ends of the scale from where they should be.

**Vyrus** · March 1, 2007, 01:24

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heh i was so waiting for somebody to post the new one, and right as im about to make a new thread just to bash them, renderman to the res-q :D

**renderman** · March 1, 2007, 10:23

Re: Boston Versus ATHF

Originally posted by Vyrus

heh i was so waiting for somebody to post the new one, and right as im about to make a new thread just to bash them, renderman to the res-q :D

No need to bash them, they will probably just blow themselves up as suspicious devices in due time

**bascule** · March 2, 2007, 09:34

Re: Boston Versus ATHF

Originally posted by renderman

No need to bash them, they will probably just blow themselves up as suspicious devices in due time

Boston police blow up suspicious looking man

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