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    So there's something i've been dying to try for quite some time now. Maybe it's a project that would appeal to you, too. Do you find yourself working late into the night on a variety of personal or work-related projects? Do you keep odd hours that others do not understand because you like the dark? Do you have a huge collection of books and DVDs that keeps growing, despite the fact that you don't have the time to enjoy what you acquire?

    What would you say if i told you that you could live your life on two hours of sleep per day with no ill health effects and no feelings of fatigue?

    You may say i'm a lying scumbag, but in fact this is something that a number of people have done. The root of such a life is something called polyphasic sleep. In short, instead of laying down for one long period of rest each day you take a number of smaller power naps (spread throughout the day) and achieve the same (or greater) recuperative rest from them.

    Society tends to function around the "traditional" method of monophasic sleep... one long, uninterrupted block of sleep about 8 hours in length. However, only a small portion of that period of time is true, recuperative REM sleep. Your brain drifts in and out of the 20 to 30 minute REM cycle numerous times trough the night. With a bit of training, you can condition your brain to jump immediately into a REM sleep phase, and then wake right out of it.

    If you adopt a polyphasic sleep pattern, you will not only have more free time than you ever thought possible but will "awaken" four to six times per day feeling as refreshed and alive as you do after a good full night's sleep right now.

    There are some hurdles to overcome on an endeavor such as this one. It's not for just any old person to try... it takes a lot of dedication and will power in the first few days as your body adjusts. Also, the most hardcore (but also the most rewarding) sleep cycle -- what is known as the überman method -- can tread a bit on with work or other daily activities. if you have a job that doesn't give you the flexibility to take a short break on your terms then it may not work for you as easily.

    One other hurdle worth mentioning is that if you have any unstable aspects of your life (a relationship on the rocks, a messed up personality or skeletons in your mind's closet) there's always the chance that having increased waking hours in your day can result in even more time confronting these issues. If sleep is your sanctuary, this may not be for you. Heh, also... if your spouse or lover isn't understanding they may bitch at you for not being in bed next to them as much.)

    However, those few hurdles aside... if you are daring and adventurous and want to hack your sleep in order to have more free time than you have ever dreamed of before, shoot me a PM or an email to be kept in the loop about this.

    Do some reading on your own, consider how you feel about it, and perhaps in a few weeks (i'm thinking late november, to take advantage somewhat of the winter holiday breaks that appear in many people's schedules) those of us who are all interested will take a serious stab at it. I'm prepared to start a mailing list and manage the project somewhat, but it will really be an individual affair... with each participant doing their best and leaning on the others for moral support and the sense that they're not going it alone.

    All still a bit conceptual now, but i've been chomping at the bit over the idea for a while so i can guarantee that things will get a lot more serious as time progresses.
    "I'll admit I had an OiNK account and frequented it quite often… What made OiNK a great place was that it was like the world's greatest record store… iTunes kind of feels like Sam Goody to me. I don't feel cool when I go there. I'm tired of seeing John Mayer's face pop up. I feel like I'm being hustled when I visit there, and I don't think their product is that great. DRM, low bit rate, etc... OiNK it existed because it filled a void of what people want."
    - Trent Reznor

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    Re: Hack Your Sleep... a group project i'm starting, not for the weak-willed

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=1OXvBQuWNtk
    I know, I know. Just....watch...it.

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    • #3
      Re: Hack Your Sleep... a group project i'm starting, not for the weak-willed

      Originally posted by Deviant Ollam View Post
      So there's something i've been dying to try for quite some time now...
      It worked for me when I tried it, but I was only able to get down to 3-4 hours.
      The most interesting side-effect of this was a kind of sleep where I could lie down, close my eyes, then wake on my own an hour later feeling like I slept a full 6 hours. It felt like no time passed between the time I "slept" and woke up. I tried this in weeks leading up to finals to good success.

      This had some unpleasant side-effect for me--
      * My dreams were very different
      * "Normal" daytime activities didn't work well with this. (family events, picnics, all-day trips to amusement parks, museums, etc.)
      * Society does not work well to allow for this kind of sleeping. Commute times/costs make commuting to home and back to work wasteful. "Nap rooms" are not common at the workplace, and virtually non-existent in public, probably because they would be abused by homeless, and end up stinking of piss, and worse.
      * Driving long distances became a problem when I was the only driver.

      It really did minimize my sleep time, but the side-effects were not worth the trade in my life. YMMV. (Your Mileage May Vary)

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      • #4
        Re: Hack Your Sleep... a group project i'm starting, not for the weak-willed

        I was actually going to try this, but the hurdles presented by CotMan kept me away from event giving it a try. With my schedule as fucked up as it is now, I do good to hit "normal" sleep times as scheduled. :(
        Good luck, keep us posted! :)
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        • #5
          Re: Hack Your Sleep... a group project i'm starting, not for the weak-willed

          They have new non-addictive drugs for that these days. A drug prescribed for narcalepsey tricks the brain into thinking that it got sleep or that it doesn't need it; I forget which. None of the problems associated with amphetamines and non-addictive. I'm told they give it to military people to help them stay awake. I've heard pros and cons as to whether we as a species really need to sleep. Most predators if that's what we are sleep in short intervals like D.O suggests. Sharks never sleep and never stop swimming but they are fish and it's not a fair comparison.

          History has Tomas Edison doing the same thing taking cat naps in his lab. Don't know if it is true or not.

          Since long ago that I gave up certain habits, sleep and the world of dreams is my only reprieve from this reality and I wouldn't shorten it for anything. My dreams have gotten much better since I gave up those habits. I fly in my dreams and it's wonderful.

          Mental health professionals agree that we would all go insane if we didn't dream.

          xor

          Ps For the over 35 crowd that eat like crap like myself that start to fall asleep at work around 2 - 3pm in the afternoon I strongly recommend potassium glutamate. Taken in the morning, available at any drug store in the vitamin isle. Its not crystal meth but it will keep your eyes open all day and you won't have trouble falling asleep at night unlike if you have a strong cup of coffee that late. Or you could eat 2 or 3 bananas , but then you will get fat and constipated :) My doctors tell me it helps with neurons firing & adds to your electrolyte balance. There is also Gatorade which works to, but that has a lot of sugar.
          Last edited by xor; November 11, 2007, 22:14.
          Just because you can doesn't mean you should. This applies to making babies, hacking, and youtube videos.

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            Re: Hack Your Sleep... a group project i'm starting, not for the weak-willed

            Originally posted by xor View Post
            They have new non-addictive drugs for that these days. A drug prescribed for narcalepsey [sic] tricks the brain into thinking that it got sleep or that it doesn't need it; I forget which. None of the problems associated with amphetamines and non-addictive.
            wow, see i don't know how that's possible. while our bodies may be capable of existing without sleep, provided we can rest and relax from time to time, i think that studies have shown that our mental system will go haywire in under a week without dream cycles.

            Originally posted by xor View Post
            Most predators ... sleep in short intervals like D.O suggests. Sharks never sleep and never stop swimming but they are fish and it's not a fair comparison.
            actually, i read that science has failed to answer the question definitively as to whether sharks actually "sleep" or not. i've heard somewhere that sharks (which, as you point out, have to keep swimming forward to breathe properly and survive) may actually engage in a sort of waterbound-sleepwalking, per se. Dolphins can shut down their brain in stages in order to still have enough conscious thought to rise to the surface and breathe but also experience a "sleep" state at the same time. Sleep is wicked interesting and so fascinating to me.

            Originally posted by xor View Post
            History has Tomas Edison doing the same thing taking cat naps in his lab. Don't know if it is true or not.
            This is actually false. While Edison did stay up wildly late and long hours (and expected the same of his team of workers and assistants... they were actually known as "the insomnia squad") he also was prone to hard crashes and long periods of recuperating after going for stretches without sleep. All in all, Edison was a bit of a tool and a publicity whore. He undoubtedly liked to encourage the myth that he could function forever without sleep... but it's not how he really lived or worked. There is a lot more evidence that Da Vinci, on the other hand, did actually incorporate polyphasic sleep into his life to a large degree.

            Originally posted by xor View Post
            sleep and the world of dreams is my only reprieve from this reality and I wouldn't shorten it for anything.
            Well... people who do the poly thing not only still experience their dreams but they also report them to be much more vivid. Also, a lot of people state that they can get good at lucid dreaming... the ability to control and change their dream happenings at their own command. If dreams are your reprieve, imagine having ones where you can break the laws of physics, punch politicians in the face, and fuck anyone imaginable.
            "I'll admit I had an OiNK account and frequented it quite often… What made OiNK a great place was that it was like the world's greatest record store… iTunes kind of feels like Sam Goody to me. I don't feel cool when I go there. I'm tired of seeing John Mayer's face pop up. I feel like I'm being hustled when I visit there, and I don't think their product is that great. DRM, low bit rate, etc... OiNK it existed because it filled a void of what people want."
            - Trent Reznor

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              Re: Hack Your Sleep... a group project i'm starting, not for the weak-willed

              Originally posted by TheCotMan View Post
              * My dreams were very different
              On a slightly different subject, the concept of lucid dreaming (and even being able to control it) is very cool
              "\x74\x68\x65\x70\x72\x65\x7a\x39\x38";

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                Re: Hack Your Sleep... a group project i'm starting, not for the weak-willed

                The drugs xor refered to are Modafinil's, they remove the feeling of the need for sleep but your body will need to sleep eventually.

                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modafinil

                Seems like a good idea, however it gets into a slippery slope if/when employers start promoting such things to get more work out of employees ("you don't have to take it, but we need the project done by tomorrow or your fired")

                Dev, of larger interest might be some study of the hacker sleep habits. The perception is that we don't sleep at all and are always tinkering on something. I know for myself this used to be the case, where I would need only a couple hours and I'd be good to go for 20+ hours. Now, I don't sleep at all and the effects are catching up to me.

                I'd like to participate, but my schedules, like others, aren't conducive to poly sleep. Hell, I'm just trying to get any sleep lately.
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                  Re: Hack Your Sleep... a group project i'm starting, not for the weak-willed

                  [QUOTE=renderman;90975]The drugs xor refered to are Modafinil's, they remove the feeling of the need for sleep but your body will need to sleep eventually.

                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modafinil

                  As one who just went 42+ hours w/o sleep, (damn voting machines) I can vouch for monafinil/provigil/modalert - while you're taking it, you just feel, well, normal. You can focus, concentrate, exercise, whatever. It is subtle, and doesn't appear to be working, but I did an hours long hard kickboxing workout after 36 hours on no sleep and performed as well as I do on normal sleep days (which isn't saying much - but I didn't feel any more tired)

                  The only side-effect I can see, now that I'm off it, is that I seem to have difficulty getting back into a normal sleep schedule - I normally try to be in bed by 1:30 am, but now am having difficulty slowing down before 3am. And since I still have to be up at the same time, this sleep debt is becoming chronic. Makes me want to stay on the stuff and just not ever sleep.

                  -mouse
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                  • #10
                    Re: Hack Your Sleep... a group project i'm starting, not for the weak-willed

                    I had try that many times in my life for different reasons, mostly work related issues, and I must tell you that there are significant differences, after the first week you are still in a easy to drag into sleep mode, but just after, it is like if you really didn't need any sleep at all, but can go to sleep nearly on command. You can be sleep and also be aware of things going on around you, the initial sleep paralysis that we all experience get also cut, so you can nearly jump from deep sleep into aware sleep, and then into totally awake. I can not tell you how much of your normal intellectual functions are working not at the 100% at that moment, that would require some testing, but as an experiment it is fun. And if in a hostile environment, well it could save your life.
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                    • #11
                      Re: Hack Your Sleep... a group project i'm starting, not for the weak-willed

                      New Wired magazine has a little blurb on page 50 (iirc) about getting 2 hrs of sleep a day! eep!
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                        Re: Hack Your Sleep... a group project i'm starting, not for the weak-willed

                        Originally posted by DJ Jackalope View Post
                        New Wired magazine has a little blurb on page 50 (iirc) about getting 2 hrs of sleep a day! eep!
                        someone post a transcript or image of the page.
                        "I'll admit I had an OiNK account and frequented it quite often… What made OiNK a great place was that it was like the world's greatest record store… iTunes kind of feels like Sam Goody to me. I don't feel cool when I go there. I'm tired of seeing John Mayer's face pop up. I feel like I'm being hustled when I visit there, and I don't think their product is that great. DRM, low bit rate, etc... OiNK it existed because it filled a void of what people want."
                        - Trent Reznor

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                        • #13
                          Re: Hack Your Sleep... a group project i'm starting, not for the weak-willed

                          Originally posted by Deviant Ollam View Post
                          someone post a transcript or image of the page.

                          This it?
                          http://www.wired.com/culture/lifesty...16-01/st_howto
                          "How to: Sleep Two Hours a Day"

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                          • #14
                            Re: Hack Your Sleep... a group project i'm starting, not for the weak-willed

                            Some 20+ years ago, the military experimented with this and I volunteered. They really kept us in the dark on the findings, but I believe the basic conclusion was that the temporal lobe function was diminished but surprisingly, the parietal lobe was more active when we slept in shorter, but more frequent burst.

                            Actually, without being aware, I've conditioned myself for a 4 hour average and have done so for over 10 years. But I believe I was never at peak capacity for learning, working, or even physically. This seemed more prevalent as I aged too.

                            However, for the past 4 years, I have a blood pressure medicine, Clonidine, that literally "knocks you out!" Since starting this, I get the same 4 hours but do not have any episodes of feeling incapacitated. I breathe deeper, work harder and more focused, and have a real feeling of happiness and well-being.

                            One note of interest - About once a month, I crash hard and need to sleep for 18-20 hours, but it seems random. I cannot find any logical pattern except that I tend to feel more rested after daytime sleep.

                            It's almost vampirish - wide awake until the crack of dawn, then it's lights out for the brain. And now I feel dependent on the meds and have convinced myself that I cannot sleep at all without taking the Clonidine.
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                            • #15
                              Re: Hack Your Sleep... a group project i'm starting, not for the weak-willed

                              Originally posted by TheCotMan View Post
                              This it?
                              http://www.wired.com/culture/lifesty...16-01/st_howto
                              "How to: Sleep Two Hours a Day"

                              Yep, that's it, with the silly TV picture, too.
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                              send in the drop bears!
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