Starting on Thursday....

[Deviant Ollam]

Re: Starting on Thursday....

A talk or 2 is fine, but I think they crammed too much in. The original intention in my mind was a brief talk from old timers to newbies about how not to be stupid.

i'm with you on that one. something highly limited in scope, not taking place in the main con area, that can be overseen by a skeleton crew of goons (whose lives on thursday are best left to other affairs) might have some benefit... but just a DC101 type of event.

teaching people who to survive DEFCON is a fine mission, pre-DEFCON. teaching people the sort of stuff they can learn at DEFCON is what should take place at DEFCON. again, maybe i'm just biased because of what happened with the physical security side of things...

It would have been awesome if the vendor area and lp village was opened sooner

all this sort of feeling will have one unquestioned result... and we saw a preview of it this year... the Thursday events will either be not as good as the rest of the con (farmed out to people without ties to what makes DC really great) or they will burn up people's energy too soon, making people grumpy and sick on Sunday.

Please god let "It's too much" win this poll.

i am personally willing to lob grenades at people who attempt to vote the other way if you can hand them to me fast enough, brother. i want to see Thursday restored to "doing stuff away from DEFCON" status. there's nothing wrong with dedicated people being in vegas early... nor is there anything bad about doing stuff together away from the con space early... but the actual doors opening on those ballrooms and the reg process etc etc etc... that should be Fri/Sat/Sun.

[valkyrie]

Re: Starting on Thursday....

A talk or 2 is fine, but I think they crammed too much in. The original intention in my mind was a brief talk from old timers to newbies about how not to be stupid.

That is correct. At least that was the original intention of the Pontifical We.

Regards,

valkyrie

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[renderman]

Re: Starting on Thursday....

A talk or 2 is fine, but I think they crammed too much in. The original intention in my mind was a brief talk from old timers to newbies about how not to be stupid.

[notmjp]

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I voted Yes.

Although I didn't actually show up to DefCon until Saturday morning. With better planning next year I want to make a week of it, one day before and two days after.

If it is too much trouble for the goons to set stuff up eariler and all the extra walking/beating people/bribing hotel security, I won't be annoyed at all at it being a three day event instead of four. (It'll still be at least one more day of defcon next year than I had this year.)

[xor]

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I found arriving Wednesday morning at the Riv during the quiet as the grave pre-con peace(no shite walking around the rooms you could hear a pin stroke a key) had a great Zen affect on my whole con experience. Get your Zen on at Defcon and come early next year. Though I was totally spent by Sunday, and after Hacker Pimps. But that's to be expected. In addition, getting out into the scenic LV desert for the Shoot, as well as firing close to 250 rounds at various targets also helped clean the psyche. The longer the better.

xor

[spyhunter]

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I wanted to add my two cents.. I liked the idea of starting on thursday.. gives people time to grab badges and swag early as well as see some great talks.. It would have been awesome if the vendor area and lp village was opened sooner as the everything was supper packed for the rest of the con.

[CP99]

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The goons work their asses off, and shouldn't have to be dealing with another full day.

I second this and move to a vote.... oh wait. Vote no.

[Salem]

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If you want 4 days of con, you go to Vegas early and find people you know. There is never a lack of things to do the days before and after the event.

The goons work their asses off, and shouldn't have to be dealing with another full day.

[Dcept905]

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I liked the Thursday start, but I'm probably biased since I get paid to be there anyway. I'd also like to say that the Thursday morning talk on FPGAs w/ Dr. K and his students was freakin' awesome!!!

Cheers!

[nerdgir1]

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I liked how y'all did Thursday this year. I would like to see that continue in the future.

[falconred]

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I spoke on Thursday and had a blast. The crowd in my talk was about 75% newbies (I asked at the beginning) - everyone was very engaged and gave me great feedback afterwards. This is going to sound silly but it really felt like the DefCon of a few years ago (around DC 8 and 9), with the size of the crowds and chill vibe. The crowds on Friday and especially Saturday are just too crazy. I think the Thursday talks are a great way to ease everyone into the weekend.

[ndex]

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I thought Defcon started on Wednesday anyway...

[Chris]

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Please god let "It's too much" win this poll.

My estimate is that the average Goon walks between 15-17 miles on "work" days of DEFCON. Adding another 15-17 miles of walking to our feet is too much. If we have to open everything a day early it kills us.

I have made my objection to Thursday DEFCON known to Zac and DT but honestly, unless the attendess back us up I don't know if it's going to matter.

[Evil]

Re: Starting on Thursday....

I showed up on Thursday and instead of be able to take that time to slowly ramp up to the tasks at hand I hit the ground running. By the time Saturday rolled around it had gone from "DefCon" to "GrumpyCom"! It was too much! The staff, the hotel employees, and even many of the attendees were just plum wore out! We were all spread too thin. In addition to that, I don't work on salary. I get paid hourly and if I have to come out to DefCon a day earlier I lose money or (once I have vaction time) vaction time. Something to think about with other people suggesting raising the price of DefCon admission.

[YenTheFirst]

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I liked that a lot of "pre-con" talks and events happened on thursday, and conference proper started on friday. Being able to get registration mostly done before defcon actually starts is a good thing, and having some light talks and events to occupy that day is good too.