Def Con 14 Location Discussion

[allentrace]

I've only been to DC12 and DC13, but I really liked the way the AP had a kind of open layout so you could just wander around and see people doing stuff in public areas. I hope there is still some of that going at the Riviera.

Nope. Consider yourself in the concrete jungle that is the strip in Las Vegas

[TheCotMan]

I've only been to DC12 and DC13, but I really liked the way the AP had a kind of open layout so you could just wander around and see people doing stuff in public areas. I hope there is still some of that going at the Riviera.

When DC moved to the AP, the purpose of the "Chillout Room" moved to the outside. It seems the "outside space" at the Riviera is much more limited.

Though it seems the site is down, http://www.rivierahotel.com/ has a map (mentioned earlier) that shows a small pool area. We'd probably need a larger "inside" chill-out space at the Riviera than we have had at the AP.

[warken]

site is down probably due to one of the defcon members doing a DoS ... :)

[enigma]

site is down probably due to one of the defcon members doing a DoS ... :)

I wonder if the hotel is thinking along the same lines....

[TheCotMan]

Most outages (IMO) are caused by poor tech support.

I'm guessing that they are in the process of migrating from an exposed MS Windows 2003 Server running IIS 6 to use a filter/proxy made by Symantec called "Enterprise Firewall / Raptor Firewall" and botched the process, or are just taking their time.

However, being the site of the next DefCon probably had something to do with that decision. ;-)

[big chopper]

Riviera pool area


--BC,

[allentrace]

--BC,

Nice picture you notice how the area is enclosed by buildings on all fours sides. Perfect for surveillance, now they do not have to use Black Helicopters.

[TheCotMan]

Image quoted from above

Nice picture. What is does well, is to show what kinds of space is available near the pool.
* It is larger than I expected.
* It appears to border on hotel rooms that overlook the pool

If we do not take up all of the hotel rooms, then:
* it seems likely that we may have problems taking over the whole pool area
* Late-night loud music around the pool seems unlikely.

Other issues:
How late is the pool area open?
EFF Dunk Tank/location
Drinks/containers near pools and encorfement by hotel security (glass/plastic)
Locations for Forum Meet, TBBQ, "Summit", LPCON, B&W Ball, QC, (and others) being on-site or off-site and where. (With assumtion for listed event happening again.)

[enigma]

I agree, the pool area would not be as bad as first thought.....if we had ALL of it. I forsee issues with the non-DefCon guests...

[big chopper]

I agree, the pool area would not be as bad as first thought.....if we had ALL of it. I forsee issues with the non-DefCon guests...

Let's not forget that there were always other people at AP too.
I remember at least one wedding party at AP during DEFCON.

Outsiders are part of the fun.
--BC,

[Voltage Spike]

Let's not forget that there were always other people at AP too.

Yes but it has been three years since we had to deal with a situation like that. Also note that Defcon 9 also happened to be amongst the worst with respect to noise, destruction, and general rowdiness.

I don't know if we have enough room coverage, but perhaps the Riviera could be warned and all the rooms facing the pool would be Defcon rooms? Of course it sounds as if our rooms are already locked in by contract...

[kallahar]

We'd probably need a larger "inside" chill-out space at the Riviera than we have had at the AP.

We just toured the Riv this weekend and took lots of pictures. Of *everywhere* ;) The convention area is huge, so I figure there will be a substantial chill area there. The pool/courtyard is tiny, the pool is about the size of pool1, and there will be a lot of non-con goers there. Basically, figure on no music or parties by the pool.

[lil_freak]

We just toured the Riv this weekend and took lots of pictures. Of *everywhere* ;)

<nudge, nudge>So, when can we plan on viewing these pictures?</nudge>

[Xodia]

Other issues:
How late is the pool area open?
EFF Dunk Tank/location
Drinks/containers near pools and encorfement by hotel security (glass/plastic)
Locations for Forum Meet, TBBQ, "Summit", LPCON, B&W Ball, QC, (and others) being on-site or off-site and where. (With assumtion for listed event happening again.)

I stayed at the Westward Ho right before con (its right across the street from the Riviera) and its not too bad of a drive to Sunset Park from there. It took about 15 minutes.

So for people going to the Toxic BBQ with their own car or riding with someone they know it wouldn't be too bad. For people without a car who would need a taxi it would be pretty harsh if they were coming alone. The cab ride would cost about $19 plus a tip.

A change in location might be a good idea depending on the ratio of people who come alone in cabs. I don't think thats a high margin though because most of the folks at the TBBQ are people who know most everyone anyway.

[TheCotMan]

Of course it sounds as if our rooms are already locked in by contract...

If I am remembering this correctly, the "Deluxe" rooms are closest to the convention space, and most of the rooms overlooking the pool are not deluxe rooms.

There is light at the end of the tunnel:

Now before you get carried away, we DO NOT HAVE ALL THE SPACE for 2006 or 2007. It increases year by year depending on how much we use, with the first chance to take over the entire hotel in 2008.

We just toured the Riv this weekend and took lots of pictures. Of *everywhere* ;)

Excellent! Pictures, soon?

The convention area is huge, so I figure there will be a substantial chill area there. The pool/courtyard is tiny, the pool is about the size of pool1, and there will be a lot of non-con goers there. Basically, figure on no music or parties by the pool.

Thanks for answering some of the questions I had.

A change in location [for the TBBQ} might be a good idea depending on the ratio of people who come alone in cabs. I don't think thats a high margin though because most of the folks at the TBBQ are people who know most everyone anyway.

The question becomes, will there be one? Who is going to be the organizer? Londo?