Govt Keyloggers?

[astcell]

Two words: Rose Bird. She was anti-death penalty, the state was pro. She is outa there. How about getting the terminator in as the governator here in CA. last time we removed a governor was like 1906.

Voting works. Those who do NOT vote could put my granny in office if they all voted.

[Ridirich]

Our government is supposed to serve us.

If we let our elected officials forget this fact (and we seem to be doing a damned good job of it lately), then we're doomed to be serfs.

If we end up being serfs, we have nobody to blame but ourselves.

The sad thing is, there is a caste system in place already. Homeless, Poor, Lower Middle Class, Middle Class, Upper Middle Class, Wealthy.

Wealthy people not only make their vote "count" but they also fund the campaign of those they voted for.

I am sick and tired of people saying "Well, they all suck, so I won't vote." or "I don't believe in voting." the fact of the matter is, as an episode of 'South Park' put it...the choice is ALWAYS between a Giant Douche and a Turd Sandwich, it's choosing the lesser of the two evils that is our job.

Furthermore, we DO need to contact the officials in office once they are elected. They work for us. Who pays their bills? Us, comes out of your taxes if you like it or not, so might as well put that cash to use and tell them what to do.

Anyway, how did this get to politics? Kind of a dangerous topic. I thought it was on keyloggers.

I am against keyloggers, they are on the same level to me as a trojan. If I am not allowed to introduce a trojan to someone else's PC and collect information (not that I would, mind you), no one else is [edit]I thought to add, after reading this, that I meant to say, no one is better than anyone, no matter wealth, position or property[/edit], especially not the government. If I will go to jail for installing invasive software on someone else's computer without their knowledge though my website/software I give out, then so should adware/spyware companies.

[Thorn]

...the choice is ALWAYS between a Giant Douche and a Turd Sandwich, it's choosing the lesser of the two evils that is our job. ...

Absolutely. A prinicple I learned from Heinlein: Never vote for a candidate, rather, always vote against the bastard who is the worst of the two.

Another option for those who bitch about how decisons are made, is to actually run for office.

[skroo]

I am against keyloggers, they are on the same level to me as a trojan. If I am not allowed to introduce a trojan to someone else's PC and collect information (not that I would, mind you), no one else is [edit]I thought to add, after reading this, that I meant to say, no one is better than anyone, no matter wealth, position or property[/edit], especially not the government. If I will go to jail for installing invasive software on someone else's computer without their knowledge though my website/software I give out, then so should adware/spyware companies.

While we're on the subject: fuck content filtering and monitoring. If you're dumb enough to have one hand down your pants and the other on the keyboard while you're at work, you deserve to have your ass canned in no short order.

I once worked at a place that implemented a content filtering 'solution' from a company that will remain unnamed (though they made all sorts of claims about their product providing filtering for entire countries). Of course, they never considered the legal implications behind this - blocking playboy.com is all well and good, but when you've got MVC-1043.JPG sitting out in a listed directory somewhere, there's no way to tell if it's hardcore girl-on-girl action or some nice pictures of kitties. Of course, once it turns out to be pr0n and the content filter doesn't catch it because it's basically a stupid string-matching engine, you'll end up with an 'offended' employee suing because they weren't adequately shielded from the Horrors of Porn.

Yep, fuck it raw with a horsehair dong.

[Ridirich]

Yeah, those netnanny programs are stupid as hell. They don't block what needs to be blocked, really the only way to do it is one site at a time, and in the end that freaking ends up with one computer loaded with freaking websites that are blocked so the other ones don't go there.

[astcell]

...but when you've got MVC-1043.JPG sitting out in a listed directory somewhere, there's no way to tell if it's hardcore girl-on-girl action or some nice pictures of kitties.

http://tinyurl.com/cnzzn

[Second]

http://tinyurl.com/cnzzn

I was expecting hardcore girl-on-girl action and was severely disappointed.

I wouldn't be happy and smiling if my arm was infested with some disease..and I still wouldn't be happy and smiling if I had paint on my arm

[TehnaD]

I was expecting hardcore girl-on-girl action and was severely disappointed.

I wouldn't be happy and smiling if my arm was infested with some disease..and I still wouldn't be happy and smiling if I had paint on my arm

Yeah I agree. That kid looked like he was having to much fun with whatever crap that is on his arm. As for the rest I learned a long time ago that there are two things you never talk about unless you are looking for a fight. Politics and Religion. Man I love it when people become uncomfortable in their beliefs and actually see that there is an outside to the box from which they look.

[skroo]

http://tinyurl.com/cnzzn

That wasn't kitties. I'm suing you.

[Xodia]

That wasn't kitties. I'm suing you.

Maybe it WAS kitties, but the government is covering it up!
Those damn bastards are always out to cover up things like that. Kittens are too cute for their own good.


On another note, this thread just reached a new low. :)

[allentrace]

The sad thing is, there is a caste system in place already. Homeless, Poor, Lower Middle Class, Middle Class, Upper Middle Class, Wealthy.

Caste implies involuntary. Education and Hardwork have always been the means of furthering yourself in this country. If you are jobless or a bum you have no one to blame but yourself. However hard times do occur and that is the reason for government aid and the welfare system which has sadly been abused to the point that it now promotes laziness. (I meant to reply to this earlier but I was on a trip and did not feel like answering)

Wealthy people not only make their vote "count" but they also fund the campaign of those they voted for.

Tell that to George Soros. Hmph Republicans are the party of the rich my ass. That man could could have given Gates a run for his money if he had not blown it all in backing Kerry in 2004. But seriously what are the rich suppossed to do with their money if not spend it. I am all for giving them more money as they will spend it and in so doing help the economy.

[Ridirich]

Caste implies involuntary. Education and Hardwork have always been the means of furthering yourself in this country. If you are jobless or a bum you have no one to blame but yourself. However hard times do occur and that is the reason for government aid and the welfare system which has sadly been abused to the point that it now promotes laziness. (I meant to reply to this earlier but I was on a trip and did not feel like answering)


Tell that to George Soros. Hmph Republicans are the party of the rich my ass. That man could could have given Gates a run for his money if he had not blown it all in backing Kerry in 2004. But seriously what are the rich suppossed to do with their money if not spend it. I am all for giving them more money as they will spend it and in so doing help the economy.

I was not referring to any specific party. I was referring to people who have assloads of money and throw it toward their canidate.

As for the involuntairy...think on this: Education and hard work get you more money? Bullshit. EMTs have to take a 6 month class, plus con-ed every year. Their pay is less than a person who is hired on the spot at Burger King. I know from personal experiance. Want to talk about hard work? You lift some lazy fat fuck up a flight of stairs with only your partner to assist you while your balls feel like they are going to fall out of your sack because of the added weight of the stretcher.

I have an associates in engineering and I make 15 grand a year. I work my ass off and make jack shit for pay, does not matter where I work. I am going BACK to school to get an associates in network administration so I have the paperwork to back my abilities. At least then I can have decent wages.

That "American Dream" and "Land of Oppertunity" is bullshit, if ya got money, you make the rules...and the government helps the rich by making their taxes less. Just read the laws as they come out.

[allentrace]

I was not referring to any specific party. I was referring to people who have assloads of money and throw it toward their canidate.

I know I meant it as a joke.

As for the involuntairy...think on this: Education and hard work get you more money? Bullshit. EMTs have to take a 6 month class, plus con-ed every year. Their pay is less than a person who is hired on the spot at Burger King. I know from personal experiance. Want to talk about hard work? You lift some lazy fat fuck up a flight of stairs with only your partner to assist you while your balls feel like they are going to fall out of your sack because of the added weight of the stretcher.

I have an associates in engineering and I make 15 grand a year. I work my ass off and make jack shit for pay, does not matter where I work. I am going BACK to school to get an associates in network administration so I have the paperwork to back my abilities. At least then I can have decent wages.

That "American Dream" and "Land of Oppertunity" is bullshit, if ya got money, you make the rules...and the government helps the rich by making their taxes less. Just read the laws as they come out.

Every EMT makes the choice to work in that profession....and they do not necessarily do it for the money, most I am sure do it because they care about people.

So you have had a tough break in life.... you have your degrees but that was your chosen profession. In life there is always a way to exceed and who is to say more money is better. As for education W.E.B. Du Bois and George Washington Carver all understood the need for it if they were ever to change the misconception of Sambo and make it known that African Americans are equal to everyone. EDUCATION has and always will be the means to advancement in this country.

The American dream isn't that the streets are paved with Gold rather it is in the belief that you can make a better life for your children. This was the prevailing current of the past and still is today.

As for reading the laws, I am a History Major, Political Science minor taking his LSATS in preparation for Law School in a few months... I think I might have a good grasp of the law.

[Ridirich]

Yeah, but you made a blanket statement. Most of the time blanket statements are dangerous, I usually kick myself in the ass after posting one.

I made a choice to be an EMT. I made a choice to volunteer at the flight 93 crash site. I made a choice to move to NC and change my cert there. It is not about my misfurtune, but rather about disproving the fact that hard work and education do not make you middle class.

Something strange, sad and true. I made 15 grand last year. That falls into the "poor" catagory, heh. My fiencee who lives with me is a stay at home mom and I support two children besides her. I paid for all the kid's food, clothes and other items, but could not claim them. Futhermore I actually had to pay money at the end of the year to break even, even though a large portion of my check went to taxes during the year. I had my taxes professionally done, and doublechecked and tripplechecked them myself.

A person I know got back 10 grand, and a lesser portion of his check was taken out...he makes 60 a year. Want to tell me that's right?

[allentrace]

Yeah, but you made a blanket statement. Most of the time blanket statements are dangerous, I usually kick myself in the ass after posting one.

In this case the blanket statement is correct. Most people who came to the United States made a better life for themselves because of education and hard work. Some had things handed to them but it was because of their forbears that they are allowed that comfort. And what is wrong with that. Also with the use of the term "Blanket Statement" it seems this word has recently come into popularity ever since Deviant Ollum used it recently, but hey he is a smart man.

I made a choice to be an EMT. I made a choice to volunteer at the flight 93 crash site. I made a choice to move to NC and change my cert there. It is not about my misfurtune, but rather about disproving the fact that hard work and education do not make you middle class.

I never made the point about the middle class, you did. But no one ever made the middle class by sitting on their ass or having a trust fund handed to them.... those honors are reserved for the lower and upper class respectively. The fact that most of our population is middle class is a great testament to out country.

Something strange, sad and true. I made 15 grand last year. That falls into the "poor" catagory, heh. My fiencee who lives with me is a stay at home mom and I support two children besides her. I paid for all the kid's food, clothes and other items, but could not claim them. Futhermore I actually had to pay money at the end of the year to break even, even though a large portion of my check went to taxes during the year. I had my taxes professionally done, and doublechecked and tripplechecked them myself.

A person I know got back 10 grand, and a lesser portion of his check was taken out...he makes 60 a year. Want to tell me that's right?

And that is the honorable thing to do and as for your friend...good for him wish I got that much back then again I am only in college... but what is the point of his income are you saying he does not deserve it as compared to you? And yeah while things may not always be "fair" (fuck that term) I guarantee you if your situations had been reserved it would be his life we would be hearing about you.

I am going to wait for anyone else’s response on this before I respond anymore in this thread as I feel we can only go back and forth on this issue without new direction or comments.