New theme for the B/W Balls?

[DJ Jackalope]

Granted, I am not in charge of the B/W Balls in any way, shape or form...

But I was kind of wondering....
what if we changed the themes to different colors or maybe even different cultures? Like a Red ball or a silver one....or a Japanese one so i could get away with wearing my Kimono? Pirate vs Ninja ball?

But anyway, you get the drift.

DT? Anyone? Ideas for more fun we could be causing?

[DaKahuna]

But what would the contrast be. With Black/White you have bad guys/good guys (I'll leave it up to you to determine which you think are bad and good).

[Salem]

But what would the contrast be. With Black/White you have bad guys/good guys.

Cmon, Pirates v Ninjas! How much more of a contrast can there be? heheh

I have to agree with Jackalope on this though, it would be nice to see something with a bit more flavor. The B&W as of the last few cons has been lacking somewhat. I think throwing a new theme to it would give it a decent kick.

[DaKahuna]

Cmon, Pirates v Ninjas! How much more of a contrast can there be? heheh

I have to agree with Jackalope on this though, it would be nice to see something with a bit more flavor. The B&W as of the last few cons has been lacking somewhat. I think throwing a new theme to it would give it a decent kick.

good point. I an't wait to hear what someone comes up with for "Ninja music."

Personally, I have not attended the B&W because the volume is louder than I find comfortable.

[DJ Jackalope]

Well, I will see what ZZiks will let me do / help / suggest on this realm. People have said that I throw the best parties in northern Colorado and IMHO, I agree...I would like to bring it to everyone at DC16, too.

[DJ Jackalope]

good point. I an't wait to hear what someone comes up with for "Ninja music."
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You do know that if it was "ninja music" we probably would never hear it, right?:tongue:

[Dark Tangent]

I like the idea of a different theme this year. It will be held in the same spot as last year, it worked out very well, and then during the day it will be a chill out lounge and place for people to sit.

Not sure what the two themes will be, but I'm guessing DJ Jackalope is into her Japanese School Girl outfit because of her rocking social engineering at Katsucon a couple weeks ago!

[DaKahuna]

You do know that if it was "ninja music" we probably would never hear it, right?:tongue:

Exactly what I was thinking .

Anyway, Maybe this year I'll come inside instead of just standing outside the door.

[sugardaddy]

I've hit the white balls the past 2 years and I have to say the attendance seemed pretty low last year. I heard something similar about the black ball as well. Is there anyway to combine them again and up the overall attendance? I'm sure splitting them gives some flexibility for more DJ's, etc. but it seems like you'd have less competition with the parties and perhaps have a better event if more folks were there. Just a suggestion.

[DJ Jackalope]

The ideal, of course, is to throw the Ball(s) in the Contest area iirc... that way the skyboxen can overlook the Ball and still have their parties.

[DJ Jackalope]

I like the idea of a different theme this year. It will be held in the same spot as last year, it worked out very well, and then during the day it will be a chill out lounge and place for people to sit.

Not sure what the two themes will be, but I'm guessing DJ Jackalope is into her Japanese School Girl outfit because of her rocking social engineering at Katsucon a couple weeks ago!

Hmmmm I don't actually HAVE a schoolgirl outfit yet...
I would be down to spin some loungy jazzy drum and bass.

[Deviant Ollam]

The ideal, of course, is to throw the Ball(s) in the Contest area iirc... that way the skyboxen can overlook the Ball and still have their parties.i've been in love with this idea since the moment that we got the new space. people will complain and say it involves too much headache in terms of locking stuff up, etc, but i disagree.

[TheCotMan]

i've been in love with this idea since the moment that we got the new space. people will complain and say it involves too much headache in terms of locking stuff up, etc, but i disagree.

If the vendor area could be made a little larger for foot traffic, but keep the space used by vendor the same size, then the new foot traffic space could serve double duty at night by allowing all contest-specific equipment be moved into the vendor area at night, and then allow security to focus on the vendor room at night. (All eggs in one basket, and guard that basket very well.)

Of all the contests, the one with the greatest complication for setup/tear-down would probably be the aCTF. The running of cables (power and networking) as well as the lugging of all their servers would probably mean 2 to 4 hours of setup and tear down every day, not counting the first day of setup which might take a day or more depending on how many people were working on it. If the cables could be left in-place at night, and the systems placed on pallets, and a pallet jack was handy (and permitted on carpet) the setup and tear-down could be minimized.

Second would be the LPCon tables, with their heavy contest items.

Many of the other contests could probably leave many items on tables, and move the tables into and out of the vendor room.

This would all need to be worked out now, so all contest leaders/organizers could find problems with this, and list resources that would make is possible to do this in a convenient fashion. (Like pallets, a pallet jack, permission to use it over carpet, and more which has not been considered.)

Now that I have pooped these ideas, and suggested more work for volunteers, I'll go hide.

[DJ Jackalope]

A ball idea:
instead of a color... a theme could be "self powered glowy things". Like everyone has to have a glow stick or a LED on them of some kind and have the party in near blackness.

[streaker69]

A ball idea:
instead of a color... a theme could be "self powered glowy things". Like everyone has to have a glow stick or a LED on them of some kind and have the party in near blackness.

I know I'm a little old for this sort of thing, but isn't that normally called a Rave?

[DJ Jackalope]

I know I'm a little old for this sort of thing, but isn't that normally called a Rave?


Ha! ok fine.... so the LEDs have to say things then!

[Dark Tangent]

I like the discussion about themes!

Also I want to let everyone know that the B&W ball will be where it was last year, and instead of speaking during the day and B&W ball at night the space will remain a chill out area during the day with tables, wifi, food and drink, and the B&W ball stage set up.

[zziks]

A ball idea:
instead of a color... a theme could be "self powered glowy things". Like everyone has to have a glow stick or a LED on them of some kind and have the party in near blackness.
what our badges wont be powered this year ?!!
the idea of a blackout party sounds great . we can program the lighting to be as dark as possible and load up on UV lighting for ambient and every can wear the most uv reactive colored clothing they can put their hands on .

or we can have a defcon prom .
you know tacky outfits, mirror ball, streamers and " forever young" playing in the background .

i do agree that the name should be different. should it be a two itemed name black and white spy vs spy red vs blue?
or should we just give it a generic one word name ?


id like to officially have a name for the Chillout portion of the room .
what are some ideas you guys have . ?

[noid]

I'm so down for a Defcon Prom. I'll get a cheap rental tux and everything.

[Thorn]

I'm so down for a Defcon Prom. I'll get a cheap rental tux and everything.

Ya can't go wrong with a pink ruffle shirt.

[streaker69]

Ya can't go wrong with a pink ruffle shirt.

Wanna bet?

http://www.partypants.co.uk/tuxedo-ruffled-frilly-shirt/tuxedo-frilly-shirt-italian-70s-style-collage.jpg

[sailorgloom]

Hallo from Deutschland! I loved bringing the EBM, Industrial, and Powernoise to the Black Ball. Whatever the theme, if I'm spinning, you can be sure to hear the stompy stomp!

-DJSG

[rabbit20]

^^ and i would be fine with this "rave"

[aaronburke]

a prom would be awesome. i would also snag a rental
tux for that, nothing beats a neckbeard in formalwear

[microgramme]

Of all the contests, the one with the greatest complication for setup/tear-down would probably be the aCTF. The running of cables (power and networking) as well as the lugging of all their servers would probably mean 2 to 4 hours of setup and tear down every day, not counting the first day of setup which might take a day or more depending on how many people were working on it. If the cables could be left in-place at night, and the systems placed on pallets, and a pallet jack was handy (and permitted on carpet) the setup and tear-down could be minimized.
Without giving too much away, I believe I can safely say that moving our equipment in and out this year is going to be damn near infeasible unless we are provided with many minions and some virgins for sacrifice. However, some of this equipment we are planning to bring includes EPIC lighting and sound gear... as such we are QUITE willing to have a party in the contest area allowing we can get help guarding all our gear and maybe even some privileges to USE our sound and lighting gear for everyone's enjoyment. Thoughts?

[P33V3]

Hmm how about combining the ideas and hold a "Players" ball. Pimps and Ho's theme. That would accomodate alot of the ideas including Lopey in her Kimono. Ninja's, Pirates, Prom attendees, porn stars all welcome.

[lil_freak]

Hmm how about combining the ideas and hold a "Players" ball. Pimps and Ho's theme. That would accommodate alot of the ideas including Lopey in her Kimono. Ninja's, Pirates, Prom attendees, porn stars all welcome.

I like this idea and it sounds good. Now would we spell it "Players", "Playerz" or both? :wink:

[DJ Jackalope]

Gotta bypass me in a Kimono.... the one I have is handpainted and a wedding kimono worth probably way over a grand.... there is talk about me in a schoolgirl outfit, and i don't mean the Japanese kind.:wink:

[DaKahuna]

Gotta bypass me in a Kimono.... the one I have is handpainted and a wedding kimono worth probably way over a grand.... there is talk about me in a schoolgirl outfit, and i don't mean the Japanese kind.:wink:

And I was hoping for the French Maid outfit this year.

[DJ Jackalope]

And I was hoping for the French Maid outfit this year.

HA! How about the radiation suit from the Simpsons?

[P33V3]

HA! How about the radiation suit from the Simpsons?


No that won't work. How about a Mistress of Spin Dominatix outfit (although I'm not sure what that would look like). :wink:

[DJ Jackalope]

No that won't work. How about a Mistress of Spin Dominatix outfit (although I'm not sure what that would look like). :wink:

Only if it comes with spikes, a shotgun, and a motorcycle.

[Deviant Ollam]

Only if it comes with spikes, a shotgun, and a motorcycle.i highly support you being heavily-armed... but even without significant weaponry, this photo from your gallery comes close to P33v3's "Mistress of Spin Dominatix outfit" concept, i think...

http://23b.org/gallery/d/54165-2/Aggie127.jpg

hawt. with a capital H. of course your hair is shorter now and you're probably too tiny to fit into that getup anymore. hmm.... what sort of treatment can you give vinyl to make it shrink?

[DJ Jackalope]

Awesome- I'm wearing a 23.org badge from like..DC9? in that picture, too...

[P33V3]

So are we going with a "Players ball" theme? If so let's send DT a note. I have a gold Zoot suit ready to go.

[r3db0x]

So, nothing related to Black and/or White in the theme? No duality? "Players Ball" as a theme really only lends itself to men dolling up in groovy stuff. Ladies want to dress freaky, too! Feather boas and stripper heels aren't as fun to wear as they are to look at.

Here are some opposites that fell out of my skull... maybe each night could have its own set of opposites to make the revelers less homogeneous?

past/future (steampunk/cyberpunk?)
build/destroy
dark/light
defend/attack
east/west
guilty/innocent
kind/cruel
analog/digital
chaos/order

Mostly I just want to dress obnoxiously, but its more fun to do that when everyone else is dressed obnoxiously as well.

[DJ Jackalope]

Ok, Pris lookalike contest FTW!

[zziks]

So, nothing related to Black and/or White in the theme? No duality? "Players Ball" as a theme really only lends itself to men dolling up in groovy stuff. Ladies want to dress freaky, too! Feather boas and stripper heels aren't as fun to wear as they are to look at.

Here are some opposites that fell out of my skull... maybe each night could have its own set of opposites to make the revelers less homogeneous?

past/future (steampunk/cyberpunk?)
build/destroy
dark/light
defend/attack
east/west
guilty/innocent
kind/cruel
analog/digital
chaos/order

Mostly I just want to dress obnoxiously, but its more fun to do that when everyone else is dressed obnoxiously as well.

i still think a tacky prom is in order for sat night hell i can even book a photographer for the evening .. anyone know of a opposite of that ?

[P33V3]

i still think a tacky prom is in order for sat night hell i can even book a photographer for the evening .. anyone know of a opposite of that ?

That's kind of why I mentioned a "Players ball" theme. It is sort of on the opposite end of the spectrum from a Prom (with basically the same clothing).

[lil_freak]

It is sort of on the opposite end of the spectrum from a Prom (with basically the same clothing). Just tackier and whatnot.

I'm all for the "Players Ball" idea.

[DJ Jackalope]

ooooooh I like the players ball..tacky prom idea.....
that gives me some crazy ideas....and not to mention, affordable!
Yes, you too, can raid your parent's closet!

[r3db0x]

Okay, tacky prom is love.

I might still have the dress I wore to my own... :idea:

[DJ Jackalope]

I still have my dress... it even fits the theme of Defcon, its black and white!

[DaKahuna]

ooooooh I like the players ball..tacky prom idea.....
that gives me some crazy ideas....and not to mention, affordable!
Yes, you too, can raid your parent's closet!

Wait - my closet is a parents closet so what do I wear - what I wear everyday? Not fair. This is one of those times when I wish I did not hate Tuxedo's.

[lil_freak]

Wait - my closet is a parents closet so what do I wear - what I wear everyday? Not fair. This is one of those times when I wish I did not hate Tuxedo's.

Would it be fair to say that you could go closet shopping at the Goodwill/ARC etc?


I think I still can fit into all of my prom dresses and if not I know I can fit into my color guard & dance team outfits. However my legs are really pale and white, so I might avoid anything that would cause blindness.

[decembermoon]

to me, and no on knows who the hell i am LOL, I think that players vs prom is too much alike. both are tacky dresses and suits..

what about trashy prom & Kink fest (your best bdsm/leather/fetish wear)? all we would need are some nifty props!! for you player lovers you could still get away with that for the prom. I know at my prom we had several pimp and ho wannabes attend. It is more opposite mundane/daytime personality vs secret/nightlife/bedroom personality... and we could get Jackalope in some dominatrix gettup!!! :evil::wink:

[DJ Jackalope]

and we could get Jackalope in some dominatrix gettup!!! :evil::wink:

A corset was acquired in Hawaii this week.

[valanx]

A corset was acquired in Hawaii this week.

An aloha corset?

[r3db0x]

A corset was acquired in Hawaii this week.

...

I, for one, welcome our newly corsetted overlord.

[DJ Jackalope]

An aloha corset?

Heh...does not come with a coconut bra.

[[Syntax]]

It hasnt been posted yet, and its been done before at clubs. How about a Playboy Mansion style party, silk robes, pajamas, lingerie. Ive seen some of the attire people have brought in the past, and can only imagine what people would show up wearing.

But as to new ideas for the B&W, Im all for mixing things up with a new theme.

[DaKahuna]

A corset was acquired in Hawaii this week.

I remember lei's but not corsets

[Deviant Ollam]

I remember lei's but not corsetsthis corset really friggin' rules, i say. you'll all see it at DefCon i'm sure.

on a side note... when did the airlines stop the complimentary lei's for people arriving in Honolulu? i was totally expecting one (and you wouldn't believe the number of "are you going to get lei'd on the plane" jokes i heard before flying out)

[meee]

Not sure what the two themes will be, but I'm guessing DJ Jackalope is into her Japanese School Girl outfit because of her rocking social engineering at Katsucon a couple weeks ago!

DT I was the one wearing the .jp school uniform at katsucon a few months ago. Just as a general warning I will not be wearing a school girl uniform this year.

[DJ Jackalope]

;95580']It hasnt been posted yet, and its been done before at clubs. How about a Playboy Mansion style party, silk robes, pajamas, lingerie. Ive seen some of the attire people have brought in the past, and can only imagine what people would show up wearing.
.

So wait, you are suggesting an underwear party? *snickers* I am trying to picture DC attendees in nothing but their skivvies and I think that is freaking me out. Possibly like the whole "picture your audience naked" concept. *more snickering here*

[P33V3]

So wait, you are suggesting an underwear party? *snickers* I am trying to picture DC attendees in nothing but their skivvies and I think that is freaking me out. Possibly like the whole "picture your audience naked" concept. *more snickering here*

Thanks Lopey, let me just add that to the list of things I can never un-see.

[Shadowvex]

There is an artist that works with Greensector events that produces some absolutely incredible large scale installations that I think would be perfect for the b&w ball. He can create custom designs for any environment and his style would so be fitting at defcon!

You can check out shots of his work here: http://tinyurl.com/3eqapq

If there is an interest in this, I can get the ball rollin' (so to speak!) :tongue:

[DJ Jackalope]

If there is an interest in this, I can get the ball rollin' (so to speak!) :tongue:

OMG YES. I would really really like to see those up in person. WOW. Well anyway that's my .02, you get my vote. The hotel decor is definitely tres boring and in need of a splash of color.

Zzziks, your .02, please?

[Shadowvex]

yah his works are amazing! we were going to bring this 'recognizer' from Tron ( http://tinyurl.com/4a3dom ) last year to defcon but the people that owned the warehouse where it was stored for new years decided it would be fun to throw it off the roof... grrrrr!!!!

OMG YES. I would really really like to see those up in person. WOW. Well anyway that's my .02, you get my vote. The hotel decor is definitely tres boring and in need of a splash of color.

Zzziks, your .02, please?

[zziks]

OMG YES. I would really really like to see those up in person. WOW. Well anyway that's my .02, you get my vote. The hotel decor is definitely tres boring and in need of a splash of color.

Zzziks, your .02, please?

I love it ... bring it on ... i can give the deco crew a few hours before the ball each night to decorate accordingly .. let me know what i need to do to help out.

Zz...

[DaKahuna]

on a side note... when did the airlines stop the complimentary lei's for people arriving in Honolulu? i was totally expecting one (and you wouldn't believe the number of "are you going to get lei'd on the plane" jokes i heard before flying out)

I am not sure. I know that tourist use to get a lei upon arrival years ago but I believe these days only tour groups are greeted in the traditional manner.

As a practice, when I had to meet someone at the airport I would bring lei's for them.

[driel]

I don't remember seeing large crowds of intensely sexy people at Defcon 14, but maybe I'm getting senile in my old age.

Can we have a theme other than BDSM or panties? One where people can go all out and still wear something there?

Just a thought.

[zziks]

as it stands now its a blackout party . bring glow sticks light sabers and other lighted gadgets . . ( we can all hide our unsexy-ness in a cloak of low light. ) :biggrin:

[DJ Jackalope]

as it stands now its a blackout party . bring glow sticks light sabers and other lighted gadgets . . ( we can all hide our unsexy-ness in a cloak of low light. ) :biggrin:

And Blackout for Both nights, correct?

[zziks]

And Blackout for Both nights, correct?


yes .

I will still have lighting but it will be minimal .

[[Syntax]]

Is the minimal lighting going to consist of blacklights? since that produces some visible light as well as neon effect? or is this going to be geared more towards lighted gadgets than blacklight reactive?

[zziks]

;96828']Is the minimal lighting going to consist of blacklights? since that produces some visible light as well as neon effect? or is this going to be geared more towards lighted gadgets than blacklight reactive?

the moving lights have a near UV color in them . this will be used quite often . and UV reactive colors will glow .
the main focus is on lighted toys glow sticks and such . .

[Deviant Ollam]

the main focus is on lighted toys glow sticks and suchAll the low-prices you could ever need on that, just don't put these things in your mouth or anything (more than likely) heh. (http://www.orientaltrading.com)