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  • converge
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    You racist doods got it all wrong. They were calling you 'a fricken american' .. like most people from other countries do. Silly europeans and their crazy phrases.

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  • Vyrus
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    Originally posted by streaker69 View Post
    I personally despise PC'ness in all forms. I've always thought that using the term African American was doing a disservice. If you're born within the borders of the US you're an American <period> plain and simple. It would seem that the people that want to keep these kinds of terms around are almost ashamed of being known as an American. After all, what happened to the concept of the melting pot that American was relatively founded upon? By continuing to segregate people by these terms just means you're adding things to the pot that never get mixed in.
    quoted for truth

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  • Greyhatter
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    Originally posted by streaker69 View Post
    I personally despise PC'ness in all forms. I've always thought that using the term African American was doing a disservice. If you're born within the borders of the US you're an American <period> plain and simple. It would seem that the people that want to keep these kinds of terms around are almost ashamed of being known as an American. After all, what happened to the concept of the melting pot that American was relatively founded upon? By continuing to segregate people by these terms just means you're adding things to the pot that never get mixed in.
    The registered downtrodden (content with unmelting) are the minority and that drives the Gov't budgets, and mostly their existance and our tax. Get em' off their arses and the world prospers <Vulcan finger thing I think !
    Last edited by Greyhatter; September 21, 2008, 23:24.

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  • streaker69
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    Originally posted by Vyrus View Post
    in my experience, there using it because they understand its a polite term yes, but are still using the term incorrectly to refer to black american people. yes, if im referring to people who have ancestry in Ireland i say Irish but if im talking about the white dude next to me i say "why guy" because in this case its more accurate, I don't even know for sure im even FROM Africa, the problem with the term when it comes to black americans is that since our "people" didn't come here (for the most part) with there culture, language and genealogy knowledge in tact, those of us from descending generations don't know WHAT the hell we are ;)
    I personally despise PC'ness in all forms. I've always thought that using the term African American was doing a disservice. If you're born within the borders of the US you're an American <period> plain and simple. It would seem that the people that want to keep these kinds of terms around are almost ashamed of being known as an American. After all, what happened to the concept of the melting pot that American was relatively founded upon? By continuing to segregate people by these terms just means you're adding things to the pot that never get mixed in.

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  • Vyrus
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    Originally posted by Voltage Spike View Post
    First of all, I wish more people would take into account the intentions of the original speaker before taking offense; not everyone has oodles of free time to understand the minutiae of the quickly-shifting political climate.
    lol i was makeing a statement on what i believe to be a general misuse of the term, that doesn't mean i walk around beating people in the head every time they use it. Why would i have a right to publicly ridicule somebody else for my opinion

    Originally posted by Voltage Spike View Post
    Someone using the term African American is almost always attempting to refer to the group in the manner that they have been taught is the most respectful.
    in my experience, there using it because they understand its a polite term yes, but are still using the term incorrectly to refer to black american people. yes, if im referring to people who have ancestry in Ireland i say Irish but if im talking about the white dude next to me i say "why guy" because in this case its more accurate, I don't even know for sure im even FROM Africa, the problem with the term when it comes to black americans is that since our "people" didn't come here (for the most part) with there culture, language and genealogy knowledge in tact, those of us from descending generations don't know WHAT the hell we are ;)

    Originally posted by Voltage Spike View Post
    If you wish to take offense, get upset that Jesse Jackson was so successful in redefining your label.
    I do, i hate that guy, a LOT of black people do ;)

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  • xor
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    The punishment should fit the crime. I remember reading that somewhere See earlier post. Only in Russia are you found with a bullet in the head for running a State opposed website. Not suggesting that anyone wants that to happen here in the forums.

    Parents a side; if it's their first offense and a young person they will most likely walk, be on probation, then be offered a high lucrative Infosec position for Yahoo. The cracker two step. Being the son of a public official could and will mostly likely work against him; look at Paris Hilton. The person who will pay the real price is his father.

    If this is the case according to the web article look for this person to turn themselves in very soon. If traded publicly and you own stock in ctunnel I suggest selling it. Not in retaliation, because the cat is out of the bag.

    If the web article is true and it's not dis-information it's another clear case of schmuck-o violating the laws of Criminal 101. Human nature is against most people when they do something wrong as I'm sure Thorn will agree with me. It's only the truly criminally mentally ill that buck the rule.

    Also, "anonymous" is not anonymous. Doing anything on the net leaves a trail, the trail might not last long, it might lead the wrong place, but there is a trail. Where the digital trail leaves off, the real human detective work begins.

    xor

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  • YenTheFirst
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    Originally posted by streaker69
    He should have every charge possible thrown at him.
    why?

    Originally posted by streaker69
    whereas someone else doing something similar or even less offensive would end up in the FPMITAP.
    I think even without political connections, this would end up as a plea bargain situation. I'm no prosecutor, though.

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  • streaker69
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    Originally posted by YenTheFirst View Post
    This is going to be interesting to see how it plays out.

    If this kid did it, will he get the same treatment if an average person (meaning not a person that's politically connected)? This isn't one that is going to be able to be swept under the carpet and forgotten about either, he attacked a public (very public) figure. He should have every charge possible thrown at him. But chances are, he'll be offered a plea bargain and just end up with probation, whereas someone else doing something similar or even less offensive would end up in the FPMITAP.

    Watching this case will determine if the Chappaquiddick rules still apply to those politically connected or not.

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  • YenTheFirst
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    The (possibly) responsible party is caught

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  • Greyhatter
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    Streaker is correct and he has held the line on yet another social issue of behavioral degrigation. Bravo Streaker. When we fail to "make a case" for such behavior it makes us accomplices. Fractional bad behavior often leads to worse behavior left unpunished. While it seems like no biggie to many of you, Streaker also points out the "hacker cloud" that the media brands us all with. I've made the point the term is used incorrectly and that "cracker" is the correct usage for a intentional law breaker, however the masses are stupid and don't want to see any difference and "cracker" remains a white trash slang term. Nevertheless, this is more of an issue of "stupid is as stupid does" and there is much blame to go around. After reading all the posts on this thread I've concluded your all correct, but from your personal points of view, your professional trades, upbringing, etc.. Palin by her own actions has learned, and so too have we all.

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  • Voltage Spike
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    First of all, I want to thank streaker69 for reasoned comments on the subject. I had assumed, probably as the media sources I used wished me to assume, that she was using that particular email address for work. The distinction between "she used to use personal email for work" and "she is using a work-looking email" was lost on me.

    Originally posted by streaker69
    Where is the outrage from the supposed hacker community that criminals are being called hackers giving all of us bad names.
    Personally, I don't feel it is worth fighting over semantics. I see this same wasted energy in other causes, as well.[1] You try to take a well-understood label in society, subvert it, and then, on top of that, one of the new labels you wish to apply is also a racial slur? Um, you have fun with that.

    [1] Did you know that "queer" is no longer acceptable for describing someone outside the binary boy/girl system? It's now more of a political label. *sigh*

    Originally posted by Vyrus
    i take offense when the term "African American" is used to describe black American citizens
    First of all, I wish more people would take into account the intentions of the original speaker before taking offense; not everyone has oodles of free time to understand the minutiae of the quickly-shifting political climate. Someone using the term African American is almost always attempting to refer to the group in the manner that they have been taught is the most respectful. If you wish to take offense, get upset that Jesse Jackson was so successful in redefining your label.

    Second, the label is often still useful when separating the race (e.g., African American, Caucasian) from the culture (e.g., black) so the context of use should be considered.

    Originally posted by streaker69
    The ends does not justify the means. The person that did this is no better than a vigilante. If there really was sufficient evidence to show that she was improperly using her email, then there should be an investigation opened.
    While I agree with you in principle, I am jaded enough to believe that when the stakes are important enough then public outrage can be a useful tool in pushing forward that investigation (instead of the issue being quietly sidelined and ignored). It is especially useful when there isn't time for a true investigation or the outcome will be decided by public opinion anyway.

    In either case, it doesn't apply here. As streaker69 has said, her personal information being published without any indication that there was implicating business usage is just wrong and illegal. Even if there had been evidence against her, only that should have been made public, not the entirety of the account.

    Originally posted by streaker69
    Some states have Good Samaritan laws on the books, I don't know if they would apply to this or not.
    I can't imagine that any state's Good Samaritan law would apply. I would hope that such laws would absolve those attempting to help from liability for any consequences, not shield people from prosecution for committing a crime in a the process.

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  • streaker69
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    Originally posted by jur1st View Post
    Some asshead 4chan member getting into the personal account of a public figure isn't going to be sympathetic to any jury or judge. Also I fail to see how this falls into the fuzzy areas of existing law which would bring about solid interpretation opportunities.
    I think the fuzziness that most people are wanting to see is that committing of a crime to prove the alleged wrong doing of a public official. But that just comes down to the ends does not justify the means. After all the last thing the internet needs is a bunch of Charles Bronson's running around hacking everyone they perceive to be committing a crime.

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  • jur1st
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    Originally posted by xor View Post
    Well this case will give the lawyers, judges & our law makers something do to. We mite even see some real legislation come out of it clarifying some of the issues discussed here.
    I wouldn't hold your breath. More legislation is exactly what we don't need...what is desperately needed is judicial interpretation of the existing federal statutes. While certainly not the kind of case I'd be looking for to take to appeal, it certainly is better than those charged with various child pornography violations in conjunction with the specific computer law violations.

    Some asshead 4chan member getting into the personal account of a public figure isn't going to be sympathetic to any jury or judge. Also I fail to see how this falls into the fuzzy areas of existing law which would bring about solid interpretation opportunities.

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  • converge
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    Originally posted by xor View Post
    Ps When it comes to computer crime with the exception of say kiddie porn I think the civil liability is a much greater deterrent than the criminal charges.
    Interesting.. I believe that would allow for a solid business model built around stealing and selling information at the expense of civil suits ... kind of like the insurance industry but funner.

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  • xor
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    Well this case will give the lawyers, judges & our law makers something do to. We mite even see some real legislation come out of it clarifying some of the issues discussed here. If you listen to the Right minded news media the information is trivial which means they really can't throw the book at these folks criminally, or civilly. If you listen to the Left minded media they keep stirring the pot looking for some wrong doing. Which could end up getting the alleged Anonymous folks in a lot of trouble if it pans out.

    I hope that everyone comes out of it ok.

    xor

    Ps When it comes to computer crime with the exception of say kiddie porn I think the civil liability is a much greater deterrent than the criminal charges. Of course no one thinks of that before hand. With jail over crowding non-violent offenders will probably be paroled a lot quicker than the violent ones. Of course unless it's Texas then everyone is screwed and they will just build more prisons.
    Last edited by xor; September 20, 2008, 10:09.

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