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  • #76
    Re: Sarah Palin: hacked by Anonymous

    Originally posted by streaker69 View Post
    In an attempt to be totally pedantic and annoying as those at /. it's 'segue'.

    /waits for the coming wrath.
    Oh, for the love of Pete, I practice the Old Testiment, and I has no clu what uz talkin' about! Dumb in down for the restofus plzz..

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    • #77
      Re: Sarah Palin: hacked by Anonymous

      This is a rant.

      The problem that begets all of these public misconceptions is simple, ignorance.
      Ignorance is causing fear and misunderstanding towards hackers, this is not new, and is something we already know.

      When a computer criminal commits a crime, he/she is referred to as a hacker, which in part is not incorrect.
      When someone commits crimes with a car, he/she is referred to in context of the crime, not as a driver.
      Why do you think this is?

      Public misconception and ignorance is something looming over the community, growing as fast as we do.
      This Palin deal is nothing more than another incident in a string of ignorant "news" reports being read by ignorant people (Bill O'reilly) to the ignorants at home.
      It's aggravating when ignorant news personalities misrepresent us in the news, but sadly there are people in our own community who use the term hacker solely to describe computer criminals publicly, where is the thread on that?

      I have stayed mostly quite on this topic until now, giving time to reflect upon what has been under our collective skin for some time.
      It's not news to people like streaker69, but there's a problem for us as a community, as Hackers.

      What I am trying to say, I think, is that while we discuss this here and now, the ignorance out there grows with every Fox News at 11 report about The Hackers.
      Ignorance just doesn't vanish. Projects like HAPT are great when it comes to informing the misinformed and ignorant.
      There's still a large void to be filled, what are you going to do?

      Maybe this is relevant, you decide.
      A friend once told me about how he wished he could live in a world where he could hack without worrying about the fuzzy distinctions of legal and illegal, to be able to not worry about his freedom if he decides to disclose some fundamental flaw in some system. He later went on to tell me how he didn't feel it was necessary to fix the ignorance on a large scale.
      I called him on his hypocrisy, how could he yearn for something so badly, yet do nothing to achieve it.

      This is too dynamic for any one approach to make a difference. -ie fix the problems
      The term hacker has undergone changes, like christian, queer, and nigger.

      It's entirely possible that we all twiddled our thumbs while the media and public abused the term.
      It's entirely possible that now, there's no going back.
      Last edited by CP99; September 23, 2008, 18:21. Reason: noted a statement

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      • #78
        Re: Sarah Palin: hacked by Anonymous

        TheCotMan: Yup.
        Streaker69: But the conversation becomes far less mobile in that context.
        if it gets me nowhere, I'll go there proud; and I'm gonna go there free.

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        • #79
          Re: Sarah Palin: hacked by Anonymous

          Originally posted by CP99 View Post
          The term hacker has undergone changes, like christian, queer, and nigger.

          It's entirely possible that we all twiddled our thumbs while the media and public abused the term.
          It's entirely possible that now, there's no going back.
          I'm sure the Lisp hacker community wants their word back too
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          • #80
            Re: Sarah Palin: hacked by Anonymous

            Originally posted by CP99 View Post
            The term hacker has undergone changes, like christian, queer, and nigger.

            It's entirely possible that we all twiddled our thumbs while the media and public abused the term.
            It's entirely possible that now, there's no going back.
            If this is indeed the way people feel about this, then those hardworking folks that made the "Hackers are People too" movie wasted their time and should have never made it.

            I guess that we will also never see another thread like one I previously posted a link to in this thread regarding the mis-use of the term by the media.

            My point all along was to see why no one was making a statement about this particular incredibly high profile case and it's upcoming implications upon our futures. It would appear as though apathy again rules the day, it's too hard, we can't do anything.

            If this offends, I'm sorry.
            A third party security audit is the IT equivalent of a colonoscopy. It's long, intrusive, very uncomfortable, and when it's done, you'll have seen things you really didn't want to see, and you'll never forget that you've had one.

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            • #81
              Re: Sarah Palin: hacked by Anonymous

              Originally posted by streaker69 View Post
              If this is indeed the way people feel about this, then those hardworking folks that made the "Hackers are People too" movie wasted their time and should have never made it.

              I guess that we will also never see another thread like one I previously posted a link to in this thread regarding the mis-use of the term by the media.

              My point all along was to see why no one was making a statement about this particular incredibly high profile case and it's upcoming implications upon our futures. It would appear as though apathy again rules the day, it's too hard, we can't do anything.

              If this offends, I'm sorry.
              No offense taken, in fact I agree with your standpoints here.
              If you look back at the 2nd post in this thread, I stated that we should use a more correct term for the topic.
              I intended my statements to provoke thought on the situation, not remark on its supposed conclusion.

              At this point, I think we can all agree that we, at very least, dislike the misuse of the term Hacker.
              Now its about finding the people who are willing to put the effort in correcting misconceptions, which in it self is an uphill battle.
              HAPT is prime example of a step in the right direction.
              All we have to do now is find the next step.
              Last edited by CP99; September 23, 2008, 17:15.

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              • #82
                Re: Sarah Palin: hacked by Anonymous

                Originally posted by CP99 View Post
                At this point, I think we can all agree that we, at very least, dislike the misuse of the term Hacker.
                My attitude is that at this point its meaning is so overloaded it's pretty silly to try to give it a specific definition which overrides any other ones in common usage.
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                • #83
                  Re: Sarah Palin: hacked by Anonymous

                  Brainiacks.

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                  • #84
                    Re: Sarah Palin: hacked by Anonymous

                    Xerox had a sort of similar problem. People were referring to making photo copies as "Xerox'" copies. The Xerox company didn't liked the nickname because in their infinite wisdom the nick said to the public that all they did was make copy machines. That's when they changed their name to the Xerox, The Document Copy. Personally I always called them photocopies.

                    So what we need here is a consistent long term multi-million dollar ad campaign to change the public & medias perceptions of us. Hmmmm anyone got a multi-million dollars they want to give over to this project? Maybe Bill and Malinda Gates can cough it up. I nominate Streaker to run it as he seems to be the most passionate about it.

                    xor
                    Just because you can doesn't mean you should. This applies to making babies, hacking, and youtube videos.

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                    • #85
                      Re: Sarah Palin: hacked by Anonymous

                      Originally posted by xor View Post
                      Xerox had a sort of similar problem. People were referring to making photo copies as "Xerox'" copies. The Xerox company didn't liked the nickname because in their infinite wisdom the nick said to the public that all they did was make copy machines. That's when they changed their name to the Xerox, The Document Copy. Personally I always called them photocopies.

                      So what we need here is a consistent long term multi-million dollar ad campaign to change the public & medias perceptions of us. Hmmmm anyone got a multi-million dollars they want to give over to this project? Maybe Bill and Malinda Gates can cough it up. I nominate Streaker to run it as he seems to be the most passionate about it.

                      xor
                      Ok, First, give me the money, and then I will determine the best way to spend it to resolve this issue.

                      I think here's how we could raise the money. For anyone that wants to proclaim themselves a hacker, a tax shall be imposed. You can pay your tax to my paypal account. With those funds I shall pay myself a salary, as well as lobby the media to change the hacker perception.

                      Sound fair?
                      A third party security audit is the IT equivalent of a colonoscopy. It's long, intrusive, very uncomfortable, and when it's done, you'll have seen things you really didn't want to see, and you'll never forget that you've had one.

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                      • #86
                        Re: Sarah Palin: hacked by Anonymous

                        Originally posted by streaker69 View Post
                        Ok, First, give me the money, and then I will determine the best way to spend it to resolve this issue.

                        I think here's how we could raise the money. For anyone that wants to proclaim themselves a hacker, a tax shall be imposed. You can pay your tax to my paypal account. With those funds I shall pay myself a salary, as well as lobby the media to change the hacker perception.

                        Sound fair?
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                        • #87
                          Re: Sarah Palin: hacked by Anonymous

                          Originally posted by streaker69 View Post
                          Ok, First, give me the money, and then I will determine the best way to spend it to resolve this issue.

                          I think here's how we could raise the money. For anyone that wants to proclaim themselves a hacker, a tax shall be imposed. You can pay your tax to my paypal account. With those funds I shall pay myself a salary, as well as lobby the media to change the hacker perception.

                          Sound fair?
                          Isn't that what DEFCON is? A defcon participant even gets a nice badge proclaiming their hacker-ness. I assume the media lobbying is forthcoming. ;)
                          It's not stupid, it's advanced.

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                          • #88
                            Re: Sarah Palin: hacked by Anonymous

                            After a long talk with a close friend I came to the conclusion that its not that we hate the current misuse of the term Hacker,
                            its that we are represented to the public, not as hackers, but as the "posers" and computer criminals calling themselves hackers.

                            It's not about the term, its about the people.

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                            • #89
                              Re: Sarah Palin: hacked by Anonymous

                              Originally posted by xor View Post
                              First streaker, I like you and respect you despite that fact you are Amish :-). Second, you only like her because she shoots :-). I know you have those pinups of her and the M16 in your basement. :-)
                              I'm just gonna leave this here.

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                              • #90
                                Re: Sarah Palin: hacked by Anonymous

                                Originally posted by bascule View Post
                                I'm sure the Lisp hacker community wants their word back too
                                It's never been lost to either group. Hackers are as hackers do.

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