So, who is bringing what?

[wrøng!]

Re: So, who is bringing what?

Despite what they advertise, tannerite can start fires. I speak from experience.

[KingRat]

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I'll assume no incendiaries is still in effect then. Can we shoot a fire extinguisher? :-P

[TheCotMan]

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I'll assume no incendiaries is still in effect then. Can we shoot a fire extinguisher? :-P

I don't know if any of you watch a show called, "Top Guns," where the host invites two other shooters to the show, they test various weapons, discuss a little about the history and then manufacture a contest between each other using different weapons. Occasionally, they do something that provides results greater than I expected. They are not technically heavy, and are more entertainment than education. However, in one of their recent episodes, they selected a target of "shaving foam cans" which exploded to quite a spectacular effect. There is some worry, as most shaving foam cans are made with steel, which may be less than safe as a target. Maybe one of you can comment on risks associated with steel cans as targets, and what, if any changes you might make to ammunition you would fire at such a target.

The episode is "Top Guns : Going the Distance": http://www.hulu.com/watch/350221/top...g-the-distance. Jump to 14 minutes 45 seconds.

[edit: I posted the wrong URL. Fixed.]

[Shirogitsune]

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I may have missed the 'Con last year, but I'm NOT going to miss Defcon 20 (and, especially, the shoot)! XD

I will be bringing the following:
- 5.56 AR-15 (Smith and Wesson flavored)
- Springfield M1911 .45
- Taurus PT709 9mm
- Mossberg 500A 12ga.

[Deviant Ollam]

Re: So, who is bringing what?

The ones in Nevada, especially the indoor ranges.

ah, so you were just referring to them as places to buy ammo. i was concerned that you had been misinformed about the Shoot since it doesn't take place at a range but rather out in the desert

I believe last year deviant had said no incendiaries, tracers, or tannerite. While tannerite is technically legal and not a fire risk, it does tend to draw unwanted attention, especially in large quantities.

this rule is still in effect. both for fire-safety reasons as well as not wanting to disturb folk, we'll stick to traditional ammo and non-reactive targets... heh, although if (as KingRat and others discussed) if people want to shoot targets that make a fun mess, i have no problem with that. the shaving cream cans sound pretty hilarious. perhaps expensive, but could be fun, as long as they're far enough away from people.

and as much as we don't like wasting food, fruit is also always a good option. as are old empty plastic bottles if you fill them with water and dye.

[gnull]

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This will be my first year attending the shoot, since I finally have something to bring. I'm stoked to get to attend, but I'm curious how everyone stores their "goods" before and after the shoot. I've never stayed in a hotel while transporting firearms so I'm not sure of protocol on that. Do they need to be checked into hotel "security"? Or do you just store in your room locked up in a case? Lockable storage facility? Guard Dogs?

Just in case you're curious, I'm hoping to bring:
Glock 19
9mm Carbine
Ruger 10/22
And if I can swing it, my shiny new (to me) AR frame .308

[solidstate]

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Some assortment of .22 rf, 7.62x51 (DSA FAL carbine), .45 ACP (maybe a Detonics), 12 ga.

[sintax_error]

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Maybe one of you can comment on risks associated with steel cans as targets, and what, if any changes you might make to ammunition you would fire at such a target.

Traditionally, when firing at steel at a range like the shoot location, as a rule of thumb you want to use unjacketed lead slugs. Reason being that copper, some alloys, and especially steel jackets, or cores for that matter can easily send some sparks or red hot shards of copper flying on impact. That's just my understanding and anyone can feel free to correct me on that. That being said, we're talking about thin and flimsy cans, not 1" plate. I've shot all kinds of "Do Not Puncture" containers without incident. As long as it's not a toxic substance, I don't see much of an issue shooting them. Final word is with Dev though; his event, his rules.

[seeess]

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I'm curious how everyone stores their "goods" before and after the shoot. I've never stayed in a hotel while transporting firearms so I'm not sure of protocol on that. Do they need to be checked into hotel "security"? Or do you just store in your room locked up in a case? Lockable storage facility? Guard Dogs?

I think most people just keep it in their room and don't tell anyone, if they are asked what is in the large case they say music equipment or something.

Last year I checked it in with security because you are forced to sign a waiver when checking in that they are not responsible for any of your property unless you choose to use the 1 cubic foot (terrible) safe in your room which wont fit anything other than maybe 2 handguns. So if a maid or someone else finds which room you are in and steals your weapons that is your problem.

(longer story) When checking in I was hoping to use a hotel safe of some kind, they informed me that there was not one available for guests. I told them that I'll just keep my machine gun in my room then I guess. They seemed a little shocked then said I could check it with the bell hop, I declined. As I got to my room my phone was ringing and security informed me that I needed to bring it down "right away" (the security desk is between the casino and the hallway to starbucks/elevators). I brought it down and checked it in with them, twice actually, before the shoot and when I got back from the shoot. One time they wrote down all the serial numbers and took their time, the second time they were less concerned. The biggest issue I had with doing this is the day of the shoot it took me 30-45 minutes to get my stuff out of security. This was because the night shift that locked up the item didn't tell the morning shift where they keys were so they had to get maintenance down there and cut the lock on their cage that my stuff was in. I'll probably check it in with them again this year since the case I use makes it pretty obvious what is inside, but I'll call down there when I wake up so they have it ready.

[xor]

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Don't tell the hotel ANYTHING. Made that mistake, luckily I had a pro-guns bell hop over rule the other.

Almost didn't get to stay. If asked it's farm equipment. ;-)


xor

I think most people just keep it in their room and don't tell anyone, if they are asked what is in the large case they say music equipment or something.

Last year I checked it in with security because you are forced to sign a waiver when checking in that they are not responsible for any of your property unless you choose to use the 1 cubic foot (terrible) safe in your room which wont fit anything other than maybe 2 handguns. So if a maid or someone else finds which room you are in and steals your weapons that is your problem.

(longer story) When checking in I was hoping to use a hotel safe of some kind, they informed me that there was not one available for guests. I told them that I'll just keep my machine gun in my room then I guess. They seemed a little shocked then said I could check it with the bell hop, I declined. As I got to my room my phone was ringing and security informed me that I needed to bring it down "right away" (the security desk is between the casino and the hallway to starbucks/elevators). I brought it down and checked it in with them, twice actually, before the shoot and when I got back from the shoot. One time they wrote down all the serial numbers and took their time, the second time they were less concerned. The biggest issue I had with doing this is the day of the shoot it took me 30-45 minutes to get my stuff out of security. This was because the night shift that locked up the item didn't tell the morning shift where they keys were so they had to get maintenance down there and cut the lock on their cage that my stuff was in. I'll probably check it in with them again this year since the case I use makes it pretty obvious what is inside, but I'll call down there when I wake up so they have it ready.

[sintax_error]

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Didn't use a bell hop, didn't check with security, didn't make use of maid services. I remove the firing pins from my musical farm equipment and keep it locked down. I also don't run around telling people about all the awesome musical farm equipment I have stashed in room XXXX.

[gnull]

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Thanks for the suggestions. I'll just keep it low key and maybe break my long guns down into something more inconspicuous to carry them in a smaller case, so they don't scream "That guy has guns!".

[astcell]

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My gear is getting way thinned out but way propped up. The Serbu Super Shorty was a hit last year so I am leaning towards quality instead of quantity.

[seeess]

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My gear is getting way thinned out but way propped up. The Serbu Super Shorty was a hit last year so I am leaning towards quality instead of quantity.

Makes me want to bring a keg12 to duel wield aows.

[astcell]

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Makes me want to bring a keg12 to duel wield aows.

I'd rather dual (two) than duel(fight).