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  • #16
    Originally posted by Chris
    I currently have the first press Capitol CD (not the original Harvest)
    Little known fact... the Capitol CD was actually produced from the tapes for the quadraphonic SQ vinyl edit, downmixed from 4 channels to 2, because the tapes the SQ edit was cut on newer, higher quality tape which degraded slower than the original master, and thus were higher quality at the time of mastering. Certainly better than the 30th Anniversery Edition, which was mastered from audibly degraded tape, although from...

    MFSL UltraDisc I and UltraDisc II, and the 30th Anniversary SACD hybrid. I don't have an SACD player so I don't know what the SACD version sounds like, but the remastered CD version on that disc is ok.
    ...it sounds like you didn't really notice.

    Of all of the versions I have had, past and present, the UltraDisc I&II's sound the best in my opinion. [...] My MFSL vinyl was purchased at a used record store in 1989 and wasn't in the greatest shape, so that could account for why I think it wasn't as good as the CDs.
    You really need to track down the Original Master Copy vinyl in good condition (runs ~$30-$50). It's put out under the Harvest label, even though the plates were cut and the vinyl pressed in Japan (where virtually all Original Master Copy records/CDs are produced) It is bar none the closest you will get to the original master tapes as they existed in 1973. The big problem with CDs mastered from '70s music is that digital masters are almost never done from vinyl but are always done from tape, even though magnetic tape degrades with time while vinyl degrades only with use (or improper storage).

    I'd love to get the SQ vinyl and freak out to the complete quadraphonic Dark Side experience, but first I'd need a Fosgate Tate II SQ decoder and a Marantz 4400 Quadraphonic Receiver for its cool quadraphonic CRT oscilloscope!

    And you people thought *you* were nerds!
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    • #17
      Originally posted by ck3k
      I am sad to see the way music is going these days, I love older...well not that old type of music, before this pop boom..people like bob marley and pink floyd....now it is all just over hyped pop and hiphop, starting to really bug me....
      I blame MTV. Today's music is more about image than the music itself.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by ck3k
        I am sad to see the way music is going these days, I love older...well not that old type of music, before this pop boom..people like bob marley and pink floyd....now it is all just over hyped pop and hiphop, starting to really bug me....oh well, god damn generation x! Now all of this rereleasing of old albums and making best hits things is starting to get at me, you can only reanimate something so much.
        Originally posted by EeeekPenguins
        It bugs me too, I cant think of any band that is popular by todays standards that will live on and be listened by people 20 years from now.
        What exactly do you like about this "older" music?

        My reply to the 20 years from now question would have to be 2pac.

        Originally posted by EeeePenguins
        Oh no way, I dont think Outkast will go down as a great band. Their songs are catchy
        Yes they are, can't forget creative and original too.

        Originally posted by Chris
        Dude...please tell me you are joking! The Black Album should be renamed The Suck Album. Kill 'EM All, Ride the Lightning, Master of Puppets, and Justice are the only Metallica studio albums that matter. Everything post Justice is shit.
        Metallica was great, and hopefully all that will be listened to in 20 years is their post justice sell out shit, thats all they deserve. The black or "suck" album was the start of a trend.
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        • #19
          The black album is when I stopped listening. When all the jocks in high school went from blasting Motley Crue and Poison in their pickups to blasting Metallica, I walked away.

          This was also the begining of their transformation from Metallica, into Metallica®©™.
          Liberty not only means that the individual has both the opportunity and the burden of choice;
          it also means that he must bear the consequences of his actions.
          Liberty and responsibility are inseparable.

          - Friedrich Hayek

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Mr.White
            This was also the begining of their transformation from Metallica, into Metallica®©™.
            then into the...don't download our music, the millions of dollars we have is not enough, we will stave metallica.

            /me goes back to listening to there older cds....

            I stand corrected, black didn't compare to the early ones...I had to go buy some of them again, I can't stand clippy cds.
            ~:CK:~
            I would like to meet a 1 to keep my 0 company.

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            • #21
              I only liked the Cliff years: Kill 'Em All, Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets.

              fun fact: Kill 'Em All was originally to be called "Metal Up Your Ass" and the record label said "no way" so Cliff told their manager "Fuck it, kill 'em all". They liked the sound of it so it became the album cover.
              "Those who would willingly trade essential liberty for temporary security are deserving of neither." --Benjamin Franklin

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              • #22
                Master of Puppets is (in my opinion) the greatest album ever made. It is perfect. From the accoustic, plodding opening of Battery through the last, aural assault of Damage, Inc. it is magnificent.

                It is painful to think that a band that could make an album like Puppets actually had the nerve to put out Load.

                On a side note, I halfway like St. Anger...in fact, if the songs had solos I would probably like it quite a bit. But alas, it doesn't have solos...and it was put together with Pro-Tools...and Lars used garbage can lids instead of snare drums....whaddaya gonna do?
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Chris
                  It is painful to think that a band that could make an album like Puppets actually had the nerve to put out Load.
                  Not to mention later sue their fans.. I lost all respect for Metallica at that point. Fuck'em now.

                  Everything up to the black album kicked ass, and was probaby some of the finest full albums ever produced. I have worn out many more Metallica tapes than I can count.

                  One of the huge bitches about digital music trading is that it kills the "full album" mentality, where artists produce an album that is to be played from start to finish. I have not seen very many albums (if any at all) in the last 10 years that are great from start to finish, and made the listener feel like they were missing out if they only heard one or 2 songs. It is more economically rewarding for the record labels and the artists to concentrate on making one big hit on an album, then use the rest for filler crap.

                  Let's face it, we in an era were most bands do not even write/play their own music. We can only hope that one day the ideology of Floyd and Metallica will rise again, and new music will be a listening experience as opposed to mindless pre-fab stars crooning out crap that will not matter 6 months from now..
                  Happiness is a belt-fed weapon.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by che
                    Not to mention later sue their fans.. I lost all respect for Metallica at that point. Fuck'em now.

                    Everything up to the black album kicked ass, and was probaby some of the finest full albums ever produced. I have worn out many more Metallica tapes than I can count.

                    One of the huge bitches about digital music trading is that it kills the "full album" mentality, where artists produce an album that is to be played from start to finish. I have not seen very many albums (if any at all) in the last 10 years that are great from start to finish, and made the listener feel like they were missing out if they only heard one or 2 songs. It is more economically rewarding for the record labels and the artists to concentrate on making one big hit on an album, then use the rest for filler crap.

                    Let's face it, we in an era were most bands do not even write/play their own music. We can only hope that one day the ideology of Floyd and Metallica will rise again, and new music will be a listening experience as opposed to mindless pre-fab stars crooning out crap that will not matter 6 months from now..
                    Well said che. I am an ALBUM listener. I listen to them from start to finish. I would agree that there are very few albums that are this way anymore. I can think of a few, but again they aren't commercial albums...they are bands few people have heard of, and fewer purchase.

                    Overkill and Rancid still put out consistently strong albums...but they are the exception, not the rule.
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                    • #25
                      Yes I will agree with che to. It is hard to find good albums today which is probably the reason behind p2p & Itunes success. One thing that I have also seen go away are cassette and cd singles, if they still exsit they are very hard to find.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Chris
                        I am an ALBUM listener. I listen to them from start to finish. I would agree that there are very few albums that are this way anymore. I can think of a few, but again they aren't commercial albums...they are bands few people have heard of, and fewer purchase.
                        Then there's albums that really suck when they aren't listened to straight through from beginning to end, namely Pink Floyd's The Final Cut. There are a few songs that stand alone... The Gunner's Dream, Not Now John, the Heroes Return, but none of them very well, and they all lack enough commercial potential to get airplay.
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                        • #27
                          CD singles have been supplanted by singles compilations.

                          "NOW! that's what I call music!" volumes 1-whatever are always huge sellers... because and the teeny boppers save money only buying the one good song of each crappy pop artist they like.
                          "Those who would willingly trade essential liberty for temporary security are deserving of neither." --Benjamin Franklin

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by jesse
                            CD singles have been supplanted by singles compilations.

                            "NOW! that's what I call music!" volumes 1-whatever are always huge sellers... because and the teeny boppers save money only buying the one good song of each crappy pop artist they like.
                            True, and I have read somewhere that those single compilations cost next to nothing to produce since all the work has already been done, all they have to do is pay a small (to them) licencing fee and reap all the profits. I guess the music industry has pretty much done it to treir self, they gave the idea of custom compilations, taken away singles, no wonder record sales are droping, oh cant forget the fact that artist are so controled by their label that they have to be the spokes person for all the lawsuits. Kinda puts to question how hardcore some of these artist are.
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                            • #29
                              Ck3k: I believe Gen X was early 90's, I think youre Gen Sex...

                              I'm Surprised none of you guys have thrown Nirvana, Alice in chains, or bands like that out there yet... as for the fellow who posted about RATM; They broke up bro... yes there good, and will be played for a while, but there not around anymore, Zach De La Rocha was planning on doing another album with STP's band I think it was but I may be wrong about which band it is, however - that was 2 years ago I heard that and haven't seen or heard anything since. OUTKAST is a exception because they throw in new stuff with a 'old school' twist, and people like that because older and youngers can both listen to it. There are ton of Rap artists out there in the SF/ bay area who have been around for over 20 years, i.e. X-raided, Brotha Lynch, 11-5, E-40, DJ quick... don't know if any of you listen to that but there around, In conclusion I think everyone is moving towards techno/trance music... the classical-type music of the millenium, heh.
                              When you draw first blood you can't stop this fight
                              For my own piece of mind - I'm going to
                              Tear your fucking eyes out
                              Rip your fucking flesh off
                              Beat you till you're just a fucking lifeless carcass
                              Fuck you and your progress
                              Watch me fucking regress
                              You were meant to take the fall - now you're nothing
                              Payback's a bitch motherfucker!

                              Slayer - Payback

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by IcEbLAze
                                I'm Surprised none of you guys have thrown Nirvana, Alice in chains, or bands like that out there yet


                                You mention that RATM broke up in the same breath as being curious why no one mentioned not one, but TWO bands who haven't put a studio album out in 10 years (Nirvana) and 8 years (AIC). Because their singers are dead.

                                Not to mention Nirvana is the most overrated band in the history of man.
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