Def Con 14 Location Discussion

[hackajar]

It's still going to be in Vegas right? (obvious?)

[ripshy]

It's still going to be in Vegas right? (obvious?)

Well, if it isnt...ROAD TRIP.

Im going to miss the AP, its all i've known defcon to be since I first started going 3 years ago. I think its safe to say that everything that needs to be considered has been considered with the new place. After all, Defcon isnt just the conference that makes it the "experience" it is, its everything else; from missing phones and purple pools to drunken idiots and the parties/contests/etc.

Anyways, I trust DT and everyone invloved in the selection of the new place, I have faith it will work out.

[TheCotMan]

/me wears his asshat...
Hmm. Time to make a brand new rumor. ]:>

It won't be at the Alexis Park... it will be at the Alexis Villas!

/me ducks and runs for cover.

[big chopper]

It's still going to be in Vegas right? (obvious?)

Black Hat 2006 is scheduled for Caesars Palace. So if DEF CON continues to follow BlackHat, my prediction is that DEF CON 14 will also be in Las Vegas. But, I'm still curious exactly where DC14 will be.

DT indicated that room rates should be around $90. That price on a weekend indicates a non-casino/resort. But that doesn't add-up because space is one of the reasons for moving. And while AP has 40,000 sq feet of convention space--which is small by Las Vegas standards, it is large for non-gaming venues. So, if DEF CON needs more space, I suspect we'll be back in a casino in 2006. The problem with that logic is that there are no casinos with weekend rooms at the target price outside of Downtown, and the largest downtown convention venues are about half the size of AP.

This all leads me to think that DC14 will either be held downtown with meeting rooms in multiple locations -- OR -- DC14 will be held midweek (before BlackHat?) at an older strip property.

I'm probably wrong, but it's fun to speculate.
--BC,

[[Syntax]]

Cotman forgot cement in the toilets and in house tv channels being hacked.
I wasnt even around for those. But saw many of the others listed.

Im just wondering how "friendly" this new location is gonna be. Will they have
a police van waiting outside before con even starts?

[TheCotMan]

This all leads me to think that DC14 will either be held downtown with meeting rooms in multiple locations -- OR -- DC14 will be held midweek (before BlackHat?) at an older strip property.

That makes sense. DC pre-AP were held at hotels that were so old/damaged that they remodeled shortly after DC or demolished them to make way for a new hotel.

Perhaps there are plans to demolish another hotel on the strip?

]] Cotman forgot cement in the toilets and in house tv channels being hacked.
I wasnt even around for those.

Ah yes. There are so many things that happens, it is easy to forget some. Hotel Internet access was another one, or was that at BH where that happened?

[big chopper]

Perhaps there are plans to demolish another hotel on the strip?

The New Fronteir & Boardwalk are both scheduled for demolition in 2006.
--BC,

[Vyrus]

as long as we can still buy out the whole thing for con. because if we cant do that then we canthave the obsenely loud partys and not have SOMBODY complain. and well lets face it, other than geeks on laptops amongst mind altering substances and strippers, what is defcon ?

[alklloyd]

Black Hat 2006 is scheduled for Caesars Palace.

Wouldn't it make sense to have DC there as well?

Al

[alklloyd]

I will miss the grounds and social availability that is gave us. I guess we're back to private parties and staying within our circles.... other than that I can only say that moving from the AP is like moving from an old shitty house... sure you hate it, sure it has issues, but it has been home for so long..... alas. but on the up side now we can torch the fucking place without having to worry about where we will drink.

You know, I think you hit the nail on the head with that one.

Al

[Gadsden]

I will miss the grounds and social availability that is gave us. I guess we're back to private parties and staying within our circles.... other than that I can only say that moving from the AP is like moving from an old shitty house... sure you hate it, sure it has issues, but it has been home for so long..... alas. but on the up side now we can torch the fucking place without having to worry about where we will drink.

That is what the Toxic BBQ is for.. everyone can still show up and socialize there.. It was a great time. There was also Sushicon and the EFF summit party.. all did well for folks meeting up. Circles and parties are not private unless they are made that way.. and as long as folks stay inviting as they have been in the past all should be good.

Heh.. we could always have it at the Hotel Siviak.. ;)

[Tacitus]

DT indicated that room rates should be around $90. That price on a weekend indicates a non-casino/resort. But that doesn't add-up because space is one of the reasons for moving.

This does not account for the concept that a large block of room buys (i.e. for a convention) should result in a discount on room price, not an increase in price like we got at the AP/AV when we guarantee them 100% occupancy

[big chopper]

This does not account for the concept that a large block of room buys (i.e. for a convention) should result in a discount on room price, not an increase in price like we got at the AP/AV when we guarantee them 100% occupancy

You are very right about AP, but I think it works differently for hotels with casinos. In Las Vegas, casinos enjoy an occupancy rate of 97% and up on weekends--even in the middle of the summer. I cannot imagine getting much of a discount with a block purchase of rooms. They'll fill them regardless. Midweek rooms are a different story because the occupancy rates are nowhere near weekend levels.

But you're right, what you said is a valid complaint of AP.
--BC,

[klepto]

Wouldn't it make sense to have DC there as well?

Al

Have you seen the room rates for Caesar's?

[alklloyd]

Have you seen the room rates for Caesar's?

Woops...my bad,so much for that idea.
http://www.caesars.com/Reservations/...14&StepId=1hot
"Hot Deals" range from $140 (midweek) to $500 (weekend). I'd hate to see the ones that were not "deals".

Al