Sarah Palin: hacked by Anonymous

[YenTheFirst]

Re: Sarah Palin: hacked by Anonymous

He should have every charge possible thrown at him.

why?

whereas someone else doing something similar or even less offensive would end up in the FPMITAP.

I think even without political connections, this would end up as a plea bargain situation. I'm no prosecutor, though.

[xor]

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The punishment should fit the crime. I remember reading that somewhere See earlier post. Only in Russia are you found with a bullet in the head for running a State opposed website. Not suggesting that anyone wants that to happen here in the forums.

Parents a side; if it's their first offense and a young person they will most likely walk, be on probation, then be offered a high lucrative Infosec position for Yahoo. The cracker two step. Being the son of a public official could and will mostly likely work against him; look at Paris Hilton. The person who will pay the real price is his father.

If this is the case according to the web article look for this person to turn themselves in very soon. If traded publicly and you own stock in ctunnel I suggest selling it. Not in retaliation, because the cat is out of the bag.

If the web article is true and it's not dis-information it's another clear case of schmuck-o violating the laws of Criminal 101. Human nature is against most people when they do something wrong as I'm sure Thorn will agree with me. It's only the truly criminally mentally ill that buck the rule.

Also, "anonymous" is not anonymous. Doing anything on the net leaves a trail, the trail might not last long, it might lead the wrong place, but there is a trail. Where the digital trail leaves off, the real human detective work begins.

xor

[Vyrus]

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First of all, I wish more people would take into account the intentions of the original speaker before taking offense; not everyone has oodles of free time to understand the minutiae of the quickly-shifting political climate.

lol i was makeing a statement on what i believe to be a general misuse of the term, that doesn't mean i walk around beating people in the head every time they use it. Why would i have a right to publicly ridicule somebody else for my opinion

Someone using the term African American is almost always attempting to refer to the group in the manner that they have been taught is the most respectful.

in my experience, there using it because they understand its a polite term yes, but are still using the term incorrectly to refer to black american people. yes, if im referring to people who have ancestry in Ireland i say Irish but if im talking about the white dude next to me i say "why guy" because in this case its more accurate, I don't even know for sure im even FROM Africa, the problem with the term when it comes to black americans is that since our "people" didn't come here (for the most part) with there culture, language and genealogy knowledge in tact, those of us from descending generations don't know WHAT the hell we are ;)

If you wish to take offense, get upset that Jesse Jackson was so successful in redefining your label.

I do, i hate that guy, a LOT of black people do ;)

[streaker69]

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in my experience, there using it because they understand its a polite term yes, but are still using the term incorrectly to refer to black american people. yes, if im referring to people who have ancestry in Ireland i say Irish but if im talking about the white dude next to me i say "why guy" because in this case its more accurate, I don't even know for sure im even FROM Africa, the problem with the term when it comes to black americans is that since our "people" didn't come here (for the most part) with there culture, language and genealogy knowledge in tact, those of us from descending generations don't know WHAT the hell we are ;)

I personally despise PC'ness in all forms. I've always thought that using the term African American was doing a disservice. If you're born within the borders of the US you're an American <period> plain and simple. It would seem that the people that want to keep these kinds of terms around are almost ashamed of being known as an American. After all, what happened to the concept of the melting pot that American was relatively founded upon? By continuing to segregate people by these terms just means you're adding things to the pot that never get mixed in.

[Greyhatter]

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I personally despise PC'ness in all forms. I've always thought that using the term African American was doing a disservice. If you're born within the borders of the US you're an American <period> plain and simple. It would seem that the people that want to keep these kinds of terms around are almost ashamed of being known as an American. After all, what happened to the concept of the melting pot that American was relatively founded upon? By continuing to segregate people by these terms just means you're adding things to the pot that never get mixed in.

The registered downtrodden (content with unmelting) are the minority and that drives the Gov't budgets, and mostly their existance and our tax. Get em' off their arses and the world prospers <Vulcan finger thing I think !

[Vyrus]

Re: Sarah Palin: hacked by Anonymous

I personally despise PC'ness in all forms. I've always thought that using the term African American was doing a disservice. If you're born within the borders of the US you're an American <period> plain and simple. It would seem that the people that want to keep these kinds of terms around are almost ashamed of being known as an American. After all, what happened to the concept of the melting pot that American was relatively founded upon? By continuing to segregate people by these terms just means you're adding things to the pot that never get mixed in.

quoted for truth

[converge]

Re: Sarah Palin: hacked by Anonymous

You racist doods got it all wrong. They were calling you 'a fricken american' .. like most people from other countries do. Silly europeans and their crazy phrases.

[blauman]

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https://forum.defcon.org/showthread....hlight=privacy

I didn't think I was crazy when I thought this community didn't like to have hackers portrayed in a bad light.

Everything political aside, why am I the only one that's concerned that the media saying hackers did this to Palin is a bad thing? This has been my point the entire time.

I surely know, you are not alone there, I am too, just like you, very upset about how the media handle those cases. More then once, it is not even a cleaver crime but a simple theft.

The word Hacker is used to increase the ratings, that is all.

[blauman]

Re: Sarah Palin: hacked by Anonymous

I think the fuzziness that most people are wanting to see is that committing of a crime to prove the alleged wrong doing of a public official. But that just comes down to the ends does not justify the means. After all the last thing the internet needs is a bunch of Charles Bronson's running around hacking everyone they perceive to be committing a crime.

Hmmm... I agree, but in some cases I side with Charles Bronson. After all, we would jump through fire to get a child away from the burning flames of a building... Would you go to jail for him/her?... maybe, it depends on environmental variables of the case.

The Palin issue is however different, this was politically motivated, I see no good reason. Therefore and by all means burn the lawbreaker in the stake... This is just my personal opinion.

Xawewl Arfj

[converge]

Re: Sarah Palin: hacked by Anonymous

great segway into a random rant.

the next person that stops a conversation to say 'no no no, youre talking about a _cracker_' and explains the difference between wording gets the shit strangled out of them behind the nearest building or car door with their pet dog watching.

there are hackers. there are criminals.

one breaks systems (figuratively, not literally), the other breaks laws (literally, not figuratively).

they are neither mutually exclusive, nor mutually inclusive. deal with it.

[Greyhatter]

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great segway into a random rant.

the next person that stops a conversation to say 'no no no, youre talking about a _cracker_' and explains the difference between wording gets the shit strangled out of them behind the nearest building or car door with their pet dog watching.

there are hackers. there are criminals.

Tried this Verge, no one listened. Stupid is as stupid stays it seems. BTW, in Nam, they eat doggies, not a bad ending after a good strangulation.

[YenTheFirst]

Re: Sarah Palin: hacked by Anonymous

I would argue that what they did hardly qualified as real 'hacking' or 'cracking' either way. BOTH terms are inappropriate.

I'm sorry, but If one could take your average myspacer or 'aunt tillie', talk to them for 5 minutes, and have them be able to repeat this attack on any arbitrary target, it's the opposite of hacking or cracking.

A hacker might pick the lock, a cracker might pick the lock, or steal the keys. a burglar goes in through the glass window. Using a password reset is more like breaking in through the glass window than anything else.

[TheCotMan]

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great segway into a random rant.

the next person that stops a conversation to say 'no no no, youre talking about a _cracker_' and explains the difference between wording gets the shit strangled out of them behind the nearest building or car door with their pet dog watching.

there are hackers. there are criminals.

one breaks systems (figuratively, not literally), the other breaks laws (literally, not figuratively).

they are neither mutually exclusive, nor mutually inclusive. deal with it.

Wait! So, what are you saying?

A hacker is someone that knows something[sub]1[/sub] so well, that they can bend that thing to do something-else[sub]2[/sub] (of value[sub]3[/sub] [i]and innovative[sub]4[/sub][/i]) that the original something[sub]1[/sub] was not originally designed to do.

What? There is no reference to good, evil, legal, or illegal in that definition?

So, a person skilled in any profession or hobby can be law-abiding, or a criminal?

Sarcasm follows in italics:
What? Un-possible! That makes no sense! Why, if that was true, then you could have hackers in organized crime! Hackers could work for the federal government! Heck, hackers could be spies working for the Chinese government against the US government, or in the US government against its own citizens! Now, that is just crazy talk. Nobody that is a hacker can ever be a hacker once they break the law.

By the same token, there are no bad cops -- all cops are good, or else they are criminals. Right? No good-cop / bad-cop, just cop or criminal.

It makes sense for a label like Hacker to be independent of good or evil and law-abiding and law-breaking. Labels like good, evil, law-abiding, and law-breaking can be normative in nature, and totally subjective. New laws are passed, and nations enforce laws within their own borders.

To require labels like law-abiding and law-breaking as part of the definitions of hacker and cracker means that a person who is a hacker in one country is a cracker in another country. Why should a label deprecate or valuate a person's status depending on where they call home, or happen to be demonstrating their skill or knowledge?

At one time I subscribed to the idea of hacker vs. cracker being worth consideration, but such a view underestimates the skills of people on both sides of the law.

A successful general can fathom others (the enemy) while not being fathomed by others (the enemy.) (paraphrased.)

To underestimate your adversary, is to fail to understand them, and that is your own personal failure as a leader, as you leave yourself open to attacks ignored as impossible because you underestimated your opponent.

As for correcting the media and their mis-application of "hacker" where "computer criminal" would be more descriptive, especially where skill-set is considered, I have no time for such things. The press and media are huge. Correcting the media is a life-long pursuit. For every choice made to correct the media's mistakes, you pay an opportunity cost in the form of any other decision you could have made in spending your time. You could have learned a new skill, read a new paper, written a program, or earned some money, but instead you* choose to tilt at windmills? If you want to take on the media, and that is how you want to spend your time, then do so and enjoy it, but understand that every correction is an opportunity cost that you are paying, and sacrificing your time in doing so.

*- the generic, "you," not anyone in particular.

What is my cost in posting this reply? Dealing with a backlog of work from one of 2 jobs (110 hours last week, and the same this week), and here on the forums; I could have actually produced something of value, but instead I posted this. ;-)

[Greyhatter]

Re: Sarah Palin: hacked by Anonymous

When my wife gets sick she "hacks." When a robber "cracks" a safe he ?????s. Any clues here?

[streaker69]

Re: Sarah Palin: hacked by Anonymous

great segway into a random rant.

In an attempt to be totally pedantic and annoying as those at /. it's 'segue'.

/waits for the coming wrath.